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Hi just wanted peoples thoughts on the recording of non work related incidents. Having been responsible for accident data and investigation for the last 5 years I am now being told that we should keep details of non work related incidents. What’s your thoughts? I have had a situation where a contractor had a heart attack immediately after work and passed away nothing to do with work. I am being told that it is useful to have this information but when I ask the question why, or what will we do with it I get blank faces as a response. Where do we then draw the line? If this is a contractor and we have 4000 employees how for do we take it? Every time someone suffers ill health do we record it? Or is there a set time frame after they flex off? Does data protection kick in? I struggle with the concept “because I said” I need to understand it from a legal stand point. Everything in riddor relates to work related.....
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I've racked my brains and here are some situations where records of a non work related accident or ill health might turn out to be useful.
1. The casualty is (or could have been) treated by one of your first aiders and questions are raised about the first aid assistance provided or available.
2. There is a dispute about whether or not the incident is work related.
3. The incident affects a person's capacity to work and requires adjustments to be made.
4. The incident is one which could forseeably recur affecting other workers and there is something you could have done to prevent that (for example warning commuters about a dangerous junction near the workplace).
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I work in the education sector and on Monday morning, several students will present with injuries sustained over the weekend. The First Aiders log everything but I only report on the ones that could be linked to us (e.g. they did it on work experiece) or refer any safeguarding issues onto the relevant person,
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This is a real conundrum, it might be useful to keep an informal note of these things perhaps if stress was possibily a contributing factor or any other factor might be sited in a personal injury claim. Also use of some chemicals can be related to things like increased risk of heart attack so it might be relevant to keep a note of some ill health.
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The important thing is to record these and then decide whether there is anything you can do to prevent them in the future. I also work in an educational establishment and we have received a report of an injury to a student over the weekend. He was injured while away with the university rugby team: he slipped in the toilets in the rugby club during the post-match celebrations. The question we asked is: Are we responsible for the injury? Well, we didn’t make him go and it did not happen on our premises. We did send an email to the club telling them of the incident but it is up to them to sort out it out, not down to us. When we compile our statistics (and it suspect this is what worries most people) we must make it clear that this is not one of “our” incidents and so we should not be putting loads of energy dealing with it. Certain managers do get obsessed with injures that we have no control over.
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