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Tobias.Ford  
#1 Posted : 08 May 2018 06:36:02(UTC)
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Tobias.Ford

Hi there,

One of the Clients that my Company works for has a requirement that vehicles are equipped with ROPS.  This is generally no problem on LV, however, on HV installnig ROPS is not always a convenient matter.

In this case our vehicles have a safety rating roughly equivalent to an ANCAP rating which normally fulfills the rops requirement, however, the new MEM on our Clients side is being very particular about the RAW interpretation of the requirement.  

Recently this client has discovered a shortfall in their inspection regime which brought to light that many of the Hv's operating on their site didn't have the 'ROPS' installed.  

So now they've asked for a risk assessment on the vehicles as to why they shouldn't have the ROPS and how they provide the same safety assurance that a ROPS system would.

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My question to the forum; what is the best way to argue like for like safety systems (where an AUS standard may not be in place for a foreign system) where the current method is equal to the required method, but the client MEM is leaning on the specific wording of the requirement?

Cheers in advance

Curious1  
#2 Posted : 08 May 2018 09:16:40(UTC)
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Curious1

Originally Posted by: Tobias.Ford Go to Quoted Post

Hi there,

One of the Clients that my Company works for has a requirement that vehicles are equipped with ROPS.  This is generally no problem on LV, however, on HV installnig ROPS is not always a convenient matter.

In this case our vehicles have a safety rating roughly equivalent to an ANCAP rating which normally fulfills the rops requirement, however, the new MEM on our Clients side is being very particular about the RAW interpretation of the requirement.  

Recently this client has discovered a shortfall in their inspection regime which brought to light that many of the Hv's operating on their site didn't have the 'ROPS' installed.  

So now they've asked for a risk assessment on the vehicles as to why they shouldn't have the ROPS and how they provide the same safety assurance that a ROPS system would.

~~

My question to the forum; what is the best way to argue like for like safety systems (where an AUS standard may not be in place for a foreign system) where the current method is equal to the required method, but the client MEM is leaning on the specific wording of the requirement?

Cheers in advance

For The uninisiated of us on this forum. Can you please clarify the meanings of

LV, HV, ROPS, ANCAP, MEM, RAW, AUS ?

It's no wonder you dont have a reply as yet.

Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 08 May 2018 09:48:06(UTC)
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Roundtuit

It may be beneficial to mention where you and this client are based

ANCAP - Australasian New Car Assessment Program? lilkely has different ROP (Roll Over Protection) requirements compared to the UK/Europe

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Roundtuit  
#4 Posted : 08 May 2018 09:48:06(UTC)
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Roundtuit

It may be beneficial to mention where you and this client are based

ANCAP - Australasian New Car Assessment Program? lilkely has different ROP (Roll Over Protection) requirements compared to the UK/Europe

thanks 2 users thanked Roundtuit for this useful post.
Curious1 on 08/05/2018(UTC), Curious1 on 08/05/2018(UTC)
A Kurdziel  
#5 Posted : 08 May 2018 10:08:51(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

yes... looked at this (HV and LV) and thought that it was something to do with High Voltage and Low Voltage.

Goes to show why acronyms are generally not a good idea (GTSWAAGNAGI)!

Edited by user 08 May 2018 10:09:26(UTC)  | Reason: who needs spelling

Tobias.Ford  
#6 Posted : 08 May 2018 21:33:10(UTC)
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Tobias.Ford

Originally Posted by: Curious1 Go to Quoted Post

For The uninisiated of us on this forum. Can you please clarify the meanings of

LV, HV, ROPS, ANCAP, MEM, RAW, AUS ?

It's no wonder you dont have a reply as yet.

Hi there,

Firstly, I assumed the lack of response was more aligned with the obvious time zone gap rather than anything to do with initiation; and am not worried if the right advice doesn't immediately present.  

Secondly:

LV Light Vehicle

HV Heavy Vehicle

ROPS Roll over protection

MEM Maintenance engineering manager

RAW Read as written (as opposed to RAI - Read as intended)

AUS Australia (my favourite ;) )

So, my query specifically relates to mining leases in Australia, and yes that could have been made clearer in the initial post.  

More importantly though are the fundamentals of the query rather than specifics.  Having spoken to some more people this morning, as it turns out the solution is simple and using a combination of controls (including the ANCAP equivalent rating, and operator behaviours) is sufficient to bridge the ROPS requirement and bring the risk down to ALARP. 

 

Happy days!

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