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ncann88  
#1 Posted : 11 May 2018 09:50:45(UTC)
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ncann88

Good morning all, 

The company I work for rent an accomodation unit to another company who provide respite care to vulnerable young people. 

Part of the agreement is they can make the necessary changes to this building to ensure its suitable for their purposes with our consent. 

There are usually 3 people staying in the building, 2 adult support workers and 1 vulnerable young person. 

The building has 2 floors with an entrance and fire exit on the ground florr and a fire exit on the first floor. The way it is arranged means that the staff sleep in the rooms with the fire exit and the young person in the room on the first floor, without fire exit. 

The doors to the staff bedrooms are locked with yale type locks partly for security of staff and partly to give the young person less routes to run away by (highly likely with some of the young people).  

I'm just updating our Fire Risk Assessment to take these changes into account but wanted to see what peoples opinions were regarding keeping the young person safe from running away and still meaning they can escape in the event of fire. 

The building is fitted with emergency lighting, smoke and heat detectors and they apparently do a practice fire drill with everyone staying once a month. 

Thoughts? Where would we stand if the worst happened? 

Thanks 

Nick 

O'Donnell54548  
#2 Posted : 11 May 2018 10:21:22(UTC)
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O'Donnell54548

Originally Posted by: ncann88 Go to Quoted Post

Good morning all, 

The company I work for rent an accomodation unit to another company who provide respite care to vulnerable young people. 

Part of the agreement is they can make the necessary changes to this building to ensure its suitable for their purposes with our consent. 

There are usually 3 people staying in the building, 2 adult support workers and 1 vulnerable young person. 

The building has 2 floors with an entrance and fire exit on the ground florr and a fire exit on the first floor. The way it is arranged means that the staff sleep in the rooms with the fire exit and the young person in the room on the first floor, without fire exit. 

The doors to the staff bedrooms are locked with yale type locks partly for security of staff and partly to give the young person less routes to run away by (highly likely with some of the young people).  

I'm just updating our Fire Risk Assessment to take these changes into account but wanted to see what peoples opinions were regarding keeping the young person safe from running away and still meaning they can escape in the event of fire. 

The building is fitted with emergency lighting, smoke and heat detectors and they apparently do a practice fire drill with everyone staying once a month. 

Thoughts? Where would we stand if the worst happened? 

Thanks 

Nick 

You say that there is an entrance and a fire exit on the ground floor, where is the fire exit, is it in one of the staff bedrooms which is locked? and one fire exit on the second floor where the VP sleeps. Where is this exit located?  

kmason83  
#3 Posted : 11 May 2018 10:40:29(UTC)
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kmason83

A lot of schools particularly primary have this problem in education we tend to deal with it through the use of mag locked doors with the realease buttons placed higher up out of reach of the youngster who wants to run out. The mag lock will release with the fire alarm and as usually the pupils leaving the building are supervised by an adult if the magnet does not reales they can access the controls in a safe amount of time to allow safe egress.

You can also look into defeatable fire exit securty devices although as it says on the tin these have to be defeatable to allow safe easy egress in an emergency. 

Messey  
#4 Posted : 11 May 2018 23:50:03(UTC)
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Messey

Originally Posted by: ncann88 Go to Quoted Post

The company I work for rent an accomodation unit to another company who provide respite care to vulnerable young people. 

Part of the agreement is they can make the necessary changes to this building to ensure its suitable for their purposes with our consent. .......................

.................I'm just updating our Fire Risk Assessment to take these changes into account

 

Nick, Do you mind if I ask why are you completeing a FRA review if you are not the Responsible Person or his representitive?

It seems to me that if your company have rented out a premises to a third party, then they become the RP for that demise

thanks 1 user thanked Messey for this useful post.
N Hancock on 14/05/2018(UTC)
Charlie Brown  
#5 Posted : 12 May 2018 22:55:20(UTC)
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Charlie Brown

I agree with Messey, It is up to the tennant to put their own arrangements in place.

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