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thunderchild  
#1 Posted : 07 November 2018 11:39:05(UTC)
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thunderchild

Morning all,

I have done a search and this topic gives me no results but I am sure its been asked so appologies.

We have a small warehouse and office. The office is on 2 floors. There is a fire warden for each area. When it comes to the day-to-day staff signining in and out it doesn't work as no one likes doing it (politics, etc). So I was thinking that if our proceedure is that in the event of a evacuation the fire wardne does a sweep of their specific area only which is relativly small and would take 2-3 minutes max would this surrfice rather than doing a full roll call as well?

The warehouse stores nothing harmful just metal automotive components so the risk of an actual fire is very low.

Thanks in advance for your opinions.

biker1  
#2 Posted : 07 November 2018 11:53:23(UTC)
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biker1

In theory, having a robust sign in/out process saves people having to look for others so that everyone can get out quickly in the event of a fire. However, in practice, it often doesn't work well; your system would have to be pretty fool proof to avoid anyone being left behind, although tying this into a swipe card system could improve its reliability. At the end of the day, the only dependable system is to have fire wardens do a sweep of their areas, which should eliminate the chances of leaving people behind if done thoroughly, and many places use such a system.

A Kurdziel  
#3 Posted : 07 November 2018 13:53:58(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

As Biker said, registers are great in theory but in reality they are rarely any use. This is because:

  • Most places have more than one exit and assembly point, so where do you take the register?
  • People move around; I can’t see how you make them update the register every time they move in/out and around.
  • It is  impossible to manage if you have a significant number of visitors or public
  • They create a false sense of security; you assume that if they are not on the register they are not in the building

The only way to do it to use sweeps, but you also need engagement from your staff who should check up on each other.  

 

thunderchild  
#4 Posted : 07 November 2018 13:56:47(UTC)
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thunderchild

Thanks chaps, sweeping is what we will be doing. We will engage with the staff and ensure that we're all watching out for each other.

peter gotch  
#5 Posted : 07 November 2018 13:58:17(UTC)
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peter gotch

Thunderchild

I think that sweep system is also more likely to adequately cover visitors.

All our staff have swipe cards for entry, but only need to use these if noone else has opened the door.

Asking them to all swipe out for exit would slow our evacuation quite dramatically.

P

Mr.Flibble2.0  
#6 Posted : 07 November 2018 14:52:26(UTC)
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Mr.Flibble2.0

Just to chuck a spanner in the works. I always find this to be an issue when the Fire Warden(s) is on Holiday, gone out for lunch, off training etc. Who does it then? Does someone even know they need to do it!?

Other issues I have is the Fire Warden is outside or in a different part of the building when the alarm goes off, so then goes through the building to check their designated area. Against the rules of re-entering a building.

I agree the signing in and out can be a pain if you don't have security, but no system is full proof.

A Kurdziel  
#7 Posted : 07 November 2018 15:13:50(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

One place I know (a large building in Westminster involved in government) has arranged for EVERYBODY(well as many as possible) to be trained as a fire warden.  The fire warden's kit (high viz, walkie-talkie, megaphone etc) sits beside the exit and the first person there picks it up and becomes fire warden for the event.

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nic168 on 13/11/2018(UTC)
Connor35037  
#8 Posted : 07 November 2018 16:48:26(UTC)
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Connor35037

What Biker1 says.

The main thing is that you're confident there is no one left in the building.

Messey  
#9 Posted : 12 November 2018 13:05:56(UTC)
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Messey

Originally Posted by: A Kurdziel Go to Quoted Post

One place I know (a large building in Westminster involved in government) has arranged for EVERYBODY(well as many as possible) to be trained as a fire warden.  The fire warden's kit (high viz, walkie-talkie, megaphone etc) sits beside the exit and the first person there picks it up and becomes fire warden for the event.


Go on, name names!!! 

I also work in a very large building with 100s of staff on each floor and many thousands overall. I could not justify spending that much money on training and retraining fire wardens.

We have 16-20 on each floor, which is more than enough to cover holidays corse and sickness. As a taxpayer I am not happy with this excessive overspend. The Goverment bean counters are now pushing more and more a 'hot desking' which is a pain when training fire wardens as you cannot have any confidence your fire wardens in The Finance Dept, wont be sharing space with HR 3 floors way. Maybe this is what is happning here

Mind you, I cannot imagine which building it is, as other than the Parlimentary Estate with it's HUGE fire team, from what I have seen, quite a lot of the Govt estate is really poorly run fire safety wise

nic168  
#10 Posted : 13 November 2018 18:06:05(UTC)
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nic168

 My workplace has a similar problem with hot desking and agile working. on paper it all llooks fine, but a recent drill has revealled a lot of holes in this as no one is around friday morning  or lunchtime.

 I am minded to suggeste the route AK has gone down- train them all and hang up the vests b y the doors.

 I am expecting significant resistance to the idea- so any other suggestions for the modern agile workplace will be welcomed!

sjh1973  
#11 Posted : 14 November 2018 09:05:29(UTC)
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sjh1973

The place i work at is a 3 storey office building, we have hot desking and agile working so people move around. We currently use what they call an Orange card system, on my floor, the top floor there are 3 of these cards by the exits. They have a card number and tell the person picking the card up what areas to look through. They then tell you what to do next i.e meet the peron in control at the assembly point. I have also worked at a place where a list is printed automaticly for roll call. Having never seen the card system before when i started i was a bit dubious about it but it works well for us. 

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nic168 on 16/11/2018(UTC)
nic168  
#12 Posted : 16 November 2018 14:46:28(UTC)
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nic168

 I am going to run the Orange card idea past the fire wardens next month.

Surprisingly,they were quite receptive to the idea of dropping the megaphone in favour of whistles as some of them really struggle with the megaphone .

firesafety101  
#13 Posted : 16 November 2018 15:11:28(UTC)
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firesafety101

I recently started casual work as a Fire Safety Steward at a premier league football stadium.

54000 fans attend every home game and there are about 800 stewards plus other staff.

We have a very good system and everyone is trained what they have to do in a fire alarm operation.  Coded messages etc.

In case of full evacuation we have a Sweep system, every fire steward has his/her designated area, not too large but includes toilets, tea bars etc.

Stadium empties in about 6 minutes, no assembly/roll call for the fans but stewards reporting to Head and deputy head stewards who report up the line.

I am told it works but yet to see it in action.

Prevention is better than cure, as they say.

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