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Righton-Corrick22193  
#1 Posted : 18 June 2019 12:28:12(UTC)
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Righton-Corrick22193

Hi All, so I know the definition of a lost time injury and RIDDOR reporting requirements, but this is an interesting one.  If a contractor bangs their hand on a door handle, during their normal working day, and has had it x rayed and it is only bruised and advised to keep it elevated, in their managers opinion is deemed still fit to carry out their normal duties, but the individual chooses to take time off, does this count as and LTI? 

If the contracting company can still provide us with the same service with that individual off work, does that count as an LTI?

I look forward to your views

Torres  
#2 Posted : 18 June 2019 12:43:31(UTC)
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Torres

I would think if he is out then it is an LTI, a managers medical opinion does not count here, he is a manager and not a doctor!! You say he had an xray, would that show ligament damage? Maybe it was bruised, but bruising to me could mean significant pain but to you it may be nothing.. LTI would have nothing to do with the fact they can provide the same service without him. If he is off due to injury however small, in my eyes would definitely be an LTI regardless of what Dr Manager thinks.

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Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 18 June 2019 12:45:42(UTC)
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Roundtuit

An LTI for who - you or the contractor?

It will ceratinly be an LTI for the employer irregardless of the managers "opinion" as the employee is not present at work conducting their normal duties.

Whether their LTI transposes to your figures is up to you - we record subbie incidents as part of supplier review but do not publish external numbers with our own e.g. on a Pre-Qualification Questionnaire

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Roundtuit  
#4 Posted : 18 June 2019 12:45:42(UTC)
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Roundtuit

An LTI for who - you or the contractor?

It will ceratinly be an LTI for the employer irregardless of the managers "opinion" as the employee is not present at work conducting their normal duties.

Whether their LTI transposes to your figures is up to you - we record subbie incidents as part of supplier review but do not publish external numbers with our own e.g. on a Pre-Qualification Questionnaire

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Torres  
#5 Posted : 18 June 2019 12:47:37(UTC)
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Torres

Actually we would be the same, the LTI would not be for us, we would record it and investigate it but not a recordable LTI for us. LTI would be on the contracting company.

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Righton-Corrick22193  
#6 Posted : 18 June 2019 13:03:06(UTC)
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Righton-Corrick22193

Thanks Guys, thats really helpful.

A Kurdziel  
#7 Posted : 18 June 2019 13:06:28(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

There is no standard definition of a Lost Time injury and especially no legal definition.  It can be a local thing that you define and record yourself or it can be something that you are required to record as part of a benchmarking scheme or some other system you subscribe to. This scheme should have a definition of lost time injury; if it does not it’s a bit rubbish.

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