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DeMelo36433  
#1 Posted : 17 October 2019 08:24:12(UTC)
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DeMelo36433

I would be much appreciated if anyone out there has come accross this scenarion and can have an input on the respective pros and cons:

Client wants to make CDM appointments with agreement that applies to several (not defined) projects. Once the agreement is signed, the contractor agrees to be the PD or PC as aplicable to all projects assigned to them in the future.

This will remain until the agreement is cancelled.

Thank you all.

RayRapp  
#2 Posted : 17 October 2019 09:32:43(UTC)
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RayRapp

There are some benefits in appointing a contractor as both PC and PD. Normally these would be small projects, possibly maintenance type work where the contractor will have the competence to carry out both roles.

Take for example a roof repair or replacement, the contractor would be the PC anyway so that is not an issue, however part of the task requires the PC needs to engage a scaffolder for access to the roof. As the PD he can engage a scaffolder of his choosing, advise when to erect the scaffold and when to dismantle it - job done.

The conundrum is with Regulation 5.1(a) Where there is more than contractor...the client has to appoint a PD. As can be seen in the above example this could get awkward if the client adopts the PD role or appoints another contractor. It is more practical to appoint the contractor for PC and PD roles. In reality the PC is doing no more work than they would have pre 2015 regs. That said, the 2015 iteration is arguably the worst regualtions ever written!

Ian Bell2  
#3 Posted : 17 October 2019 09:46:06(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

I would want to know more about the resources that the prospective PC/PD might have to run mutiple projects at the same time. Do they have the manpower, time etc as well as the skills to cover multiple projects & risks. Especially if starting at the design stage. How big are the projects envisaged? What type of projects envisaged?

Keith Hole  
#4 Posted : 17 October 2019 10:19:40(UTC)
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Keith Hole

This is quite usual in mainteneace and framework appointments and in line with the Mobile works Directive CDM is derived from.

Please remember that CDM is just a single pescriptive regulation enacted as part of the HASAWA. If you are doing everything SFARP then you will be doing all that is required under CDM apointed or not.

PM me if you want to discuss.

Originally Posted by: DeMelo36433 Go to Quoted Post

I would be much appreciated if anyone out there has come accross this scenarion and can have an input on the respective pros and cons:

Client wants to make CDM appointments with agreement that applies to several (not defined) projects. Once the agreement is signed, the contractor agrees to be the PD or PC as aplicable to all projects assigned to them in the future.

This will remain until the agreement is cancelled.

Thank you all.

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DeMelo36433 on 18/10/2019(UTC)
fiesta  
#5 Posted : 17 October 2019 14:40:54(UTC)
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fiesta

Hi All,

The last two companies I have worked for have been in this situation. We work for one of the big 4 supermarkets and are allocated up to 200 smaller projects (ranging from 2.5k to 250k ) a year on an MTC (Measured Term Contract). It is agreed up front that we will be PC and PD for all projects allocated under this contract and we are formaly appointed in one letter at the start of each year. ​​​​​​​Bigger projects are dealt with separately.

Andy

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DeMelo36433 on 18/10/2019(UTC)
DeMelo36433  
#6 Posted : 18 October 2019 11:01:56(UTC)
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DeMelo36433

Thank yo all for your prompt responses, they have all been informative and usefull.

Competencies, capabilities, knowledge, experience, etc. have all been covered. The concern is really on the appointment of the duties, whether a general appointmnet could actually be questionned in the event of an incident.

But the range of repplies have given me valued information to proceed, much appreciated.

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