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iluvmywife  
#1 Posted : 21 November 2019 13:14:33(UTC)
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iluvmywife

Hi all,

I was wondering what happens if an employee is injured a couple of days before they no longer work for a company, eg retirement, changing jobs etc.

And if you do not hear from the person again and cannot contact them, do you still report as a RIDDOR even though working days have not exceeded 7?

Hope you understand the question and thanks in advance.

Pete

chris42  
#2 Posted : 21 November 2019 14:03:01(UTC)
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chris42

So, I think you are saying they were injured but have seven or less working days to go. Well they are still an employee at the time of incident, then if it is a reportable injury then yes. If the injury is not a reportable one and they had their remaining time with the company off work which was 7 or less days then you have to ask them if they were still in employment would they have been fit for their full range of duties on day 8.

If as you say you have no contact from them, you must know their home address, so I would write to them asking the question and state clearly if they do not reply to the contrary then the company will take it they would have been fit for work on day 8. Or you / the company can make a judgement on the injury sustained and without prejudice decide if such an injury would have historically led to more than 7 days away from work or reduced duties.

IMHO

Chris

Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 21 November 2019 14:11:49(UTC)
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Roundtuit

For retirement I would say pretty straight forward - if it is seven days to the retirement date when the accident happens it would be impossible to accrue the necessary days required for an "over" report, anything before hand would be a yes.

If they are transferring to a new employer typically the actual finish date and the paid up to date are different due to holiday allowance being used up.

If they have an accident three days before their finish date but this is eight or more "available" days before their paid to date it is highly likely they would not be available for normal duties had they been asked and so a report would be required.

If the finish and paid to date are the same then providing the accident has not occurred before the final seven counted days no report would be required as they would no longer be your employee when the report is due.

When you consider most people leave a current employer on a Friday (Thursday for Bank Holidays) and start with their new employer on a Monday (Tuesday for Bank Holidays) there are potentially up to four unemployed days which the regulations would count had employment been continuous through the period.

Roundtuit  
#4 Posted : 21 November 2019 14:11:49(UTC)
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Roundtuit

For retirement I would say pretty straight forward - if it is seven days to the retirement date when the accident happens it would be impossible to accrue the necessary days required for an "over" report, anything before hand would be a yes.

If they are transferring to a new employer typically the actual finish date and the paid up to date are different due to holiday allowance being used up.

If they have an accident three days before their finish date but this is eight or more "available" days before their paid to date it is highly likely they would not be available for normal duties had they been asked and so a report would be required.

If the finish and paid to date are the same then providing the accident has not occurred before the final seven counted days no report would be required as they would no longer be your employee when the report is due.

When you consider most people leave a current employer on a Friday (Thursday for Bank Holidays) and start with their new employer on a Monday (Tuesday for Bank Holidays) there are potentially up to four unemployed days which the regulations would count had employment been continuous through the period.

A Kurdziel  
#5 Posted : 21 November 2019 14:16:26(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Not sure but the requirement to report  is in Reg 4(2)“Where any person at work is incapacitated for routine work for more than seven consecutive days (excluding the day of the accident) because of an injury resulting from an accident arising out of or in connection with that work”

So if the injury happened arising out of in connection” with work it must be reported  even if the person was no longer an employee at the end of the 7 day period.

How a judge might interpret it, is difficult to second guess but adopting  a  purposive approach you could say that they purpose of the legalisation is to ensure that workplace accidents are reported to the HSE. So allowing an employer to avoid reporting an accident because an employee was no longer employed might encourage employers to simply sack people.  

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jwk on 21/11/2019(UTC)
Roundtuit  
#6 Posted : 21 November 2019 14:57:05(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Originally Posted by: A Kurdziel Go to Quoted Post
allowing an employer to avoid reporting an accident because an employee was no longer employed might encourage employers to simply sack people. 

Except such activity by an employer would be indefensable at an employment tribunal.

Roundtuit  
#7 Posted : 21 November 2019 14:57:05(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Originally Posted by: A Kurdziel Go to Quoted Post
allowing an employer to avoid reporting an accident because an employee was no longer employed might encourage employers to simply sack people. 

Except such activity by an employer would be indefensable at an employment tribunal.

iluvmywife  
#8 Posted : 21 November 2019 15:36:05(UTC)
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iluvmywife

Many thanks for the reply's guys, There seems to be no clearly defined written legislation on the specific issue so I guess common sense should prevail as you have suggested.

Thanks again

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