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craigroberts76  
#1 Posted : 11 February 2020 10:35:59(UTC)
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craigroberts76

I've been given the task of looking for a solution to this ladder work.

The work is low duration fixing marks around stone window sills,

There are multiple properties per day requiring the work and is an on going project

no access to property for MWEP

Ladder angle is obviously wrong and my concern is that it slips, even with someone footing it, or the guy damaging the extension or going through it.​​​​​​​

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KbkCu7mLUnGdHJ43OmCxtxxcvg5MKhW_/view?usp=sharing

Edited by user 11 February 2020 12:54:23(UTC)  | Reason: missing link

Eddscott  
#2 Posted : 11 February 2020 11:50:03(UTC)
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Eddscott

So what is the question - what is the solution?

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AcornsConsult on 12/02/2020(UTC)
craigroberts76  
#3 Posted : 11 February 2020 12:30:06(UTC)
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craigroberts76

I'm looking for ideas on equipment ideally that others may have used in the past.  I've spoken to hire companies and they dont have anything thats portable.  I'm sure there must be roofers on here who will have seen or used something to make it safer.

I'm guessing the arcitect of the houses never thought that people might want to reach the upper windows.

RayRapp  
#4 Posted : 11 February 2020 15:35:40(UTC)
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RayRapp

Ladders are acceptable for short duration work, but there is a risk. Ideally ladders should be secured to the property with a 20mm eyebolt and strap. A karibiner and harness can then be used to provide the operative with fall protection. This method of course takes time and time is money...your choice. 

Edited by user 11 February 2020 15:38:47(UTC)  | Reason: Extra info added

Stuart369  
#5 Posted : 11 February 2020 15:38:12(UTC)
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Stuart369

Conservatory Ladder may help.

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craigroberts76 on 11/02/2020(UTC)
craigroberts76  
#6 Posted : 11 February 2020 16:11:57(UTC)
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craigroberts76

Originally Posted by: Stuart369 Go to Quoted Post

Conservatory Ladder may help.

thanks, I'll look at those, I think they will be suitable.  out of interest how did you insert a pic? I struggled

Stuart369  
#7 Posted : 11 February 2020 16:27:56(UTC)
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Stuart369

Originally Posted by: craigroberts76 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Stuart369 Go to Quoted Post

Conservatory Ladder may help.

thanks, I'll look at those, I think they will be suitable.  out of interest how did you insert a pic? I struggled

Just a copy and paste I think Craig (I  may of used Ctrlc -Ctrlv)

chris42  
#8 Posted : 11 February 2020 16:46:00(UTC)
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chris42

They don’t look like very big sills (and you are talking sills not the lintel above). Could it not be done from the inside and only leaning out a little. Ie your head, arm and shoulder outside, but body trunk still inside? From the distances it looks like you could sit on the floor inside and reach out, so no chance of slipping out and falling. If you are only cleaning off marks it does not sound like something difficult. Or is there more to the task than it sounds, ie painting under the sill or the very ends.

Chris

Hunt42966  
#9 Posted : 12 February 2020 20:00:10(UTC)
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Hunt42966

Our organisation uses the Tetra ladder (stage1) kit https://www.laddersafety...kits/level-1-safety-kit/
boblewis  
#10 Posted : 12 February 2020 22:25:13(UTC)
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boblewis

In order to prevent recurrence of this problem in future might I suggest you invest in an architect shredder. To be used every time you encounter this situation - eventually the problem will cease to happen!! Sky installers have now been instructed to drill and insert an eyebolt to act as a temporary tie off point but it does depend on precise layout suitability
Ron Hunter  
#11 Posted : 14 February 2020 15:51:36(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Solution = easi-dec platform or similar. Can be hired and can be erected and dismantled in minutes.

Don't use leaning ladders at an incorrect angle!

https://easi-dec.co.uk/ (other suppliers may be avialable)

The Architect hasn't failed, there is at least one safe way to maintain the structure.

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craigroberts76 on 15/02/2020(UTC), Kim Hedges on 19/02/2020(UTC)
craigroberts76  
#12 Posted : 15 February 2020 15:21:46(UTC)
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craigroberts76

Originally Posted by: Ron Hunter Go to Quoted Post

Solution = easi-dec platform or similar. Can be hired and can be erected and dismantled in minutes.

Don't use leaning ladders at an incorrect angle!

https://easi-dec.co.uk/ (other suppliers may be avialable)

The Architect hasn't failed, there is at least one safe way to maintain the structure.

not for the average house owner or window cleaner.

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Kim Hedges on 19/02/2020(UTC)
boblewis  
#13 Posted : 18 February 2020 18:21:01(UTC)
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boblewis

Originally Posted by: craigroberts76 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Ron Hunter Go to Quoted Post
Solution = easi-dec platformor similar. Can be hired and can be erected and dismantled in minutes. Don't use leaningladders at an incorrect angle! https://easi-dec.co.uk/ (other suppliers may be avialable) The Architect hasn't failed, there is at least one safe way to maintain the structure.
not for the average house owner or window cleaner.
Have to agree here as many designers do not look at how they can reduce the occurrence of such access issues and simply say that there is a means available, as a specialist item of kit, therefore we can do it. This is NOT the spirit of CDM. Still shred the designer I am afraid

Edited by user 18 February 2020 18:24:33(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Ron Hunter  
#14 Posted : 19 February 2020 16:57:28(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Give the designers a break. You've got major contractor groups (the Client) hell-bent on maximising profit and who have the ear of politicians who happily water down Building Regulations such that they don't apply to domestic properties - there's certainly no logic to them!

Life would be easier all-round if the requirement for windows to be capable of cleaning (and maintenance in this instance) from the inside were to be extended to domestic premises ----- but then fixed units are so much cheaper......

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Kim Hedges on 19/02/2020(UTC)
Kim Hedges  
#15 Posted : 19 February 2020 22:21:41(UTC)
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Kim Hedges

Thanks Ron never seen or heard of this product before.  I've only ever seen and used mewps, ladders and scaffolding in my job as a crane slinger.  This option looks interesting. 

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