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Hi all I have had 2 accidents during work hours, the first was someone stepping into his FLT, no issues with footwear/floor/lighting or FLT, by the IP's own admission, his standing leg just gave away (no previous issues with his leg). He did everything as he should, his statement confirmed the above points and said "its one of those things". The second one was someone tripping while walking upstairs, again nothing wrong with footwear/lighting or stairs. He thought it was just clumsiness. Everything is logged but would you include these in your statistics. Edited by user 02 February 2025 15:43:54(UTC)
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Well of course I would log them, because you need to investigate them in just the way you have done, in order to arrive at your conclusion that there is no corrective action to take, and to record your justification of this conclusion in case anyone comes up with a different opinion in future, eg a solictor who wants to make some money out of it.
You also don't want people to stop reporting things to you on the basis that it was just one of those things. People will say that in all manner of cases where there are some root causes worth taking action on.
In these cases I am guessing they were not badly hurt, but these kinds of things can happen in a way that causes serious injury and then you don't have the option to ignore them.
Finally, if you don't log it, it looks as if you don't care that someone was hurt.
Edited by user 02 February 2025 17:01:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Kate  Thanks Kate, we log everything, what I didn't ask was would you include them in your accident stats.
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In some incident databases it is possible to classify an incident as not being work-related, and thereby exclude it from the stats while still recording it. In these cases I would at least be tempted to tick that box.
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Thanks Kate
thats what Im leaning to. We are water tight on logging incidents but Im leaning towards not incuding it in my internals stats.
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I don't really like the original post being changed to remove the question I answered and ask a different one, so that it looked as if I was either answering the new question in a way that I wouldn't and hadn't, or was answering a question that hadn't been asked and ignoring the one that had been asked.
Would I log these incidents? Yes, definitely, and I explained at some length why. Would I include in them in statistics? Probably not, depending on the criteria on which the statistics are measured.
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Hi KAJ My view would be to count these incidents unless you can convince yourselves that they were not "accidents" "at work". Even if we treat the 1931 findings of Heinrich without a pinch of salt, Mr Heinrich concluded that some injuries arising from accidents at work were just that - "accidents" where there was no practical way that they could have been prevented - so no "unsafe acts" and no "unsafe conditions". So, taking your second incident as an example, people WILL slip and trip when climbing up or down the stairs. They don't usually do this deliberately so instead these incidents happen by accident. If they are then capable of grabbing a handrail it means that usually the consequences are less severe than they might otherwise be. However, ultimately it will come down to what your organisation's policy is on counting accidents. May be there is pressure to keep the numbers down and thence to find any excuse to redefine events which most people would consider to be "accidents" as something different.
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Kate
I didnt intend to offend, your points were valid, so rather than others raise the same point as you I took your points on board.
I don't really like the original post being changed to remove the question I answered and ask a different one, so that it looked as if I was either answering the new question in a way that I wouldn't and hadn't, or was answering a question that hadn't been asked and ignoring the one that had been asked.
Would I log these incidents? Yes, definitely, and I explained at some length why. Would I include in them in statistics? Probably not, depending on the criteria on which the statistics are measured.
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Thanks Peter, there is no pressure to keep the numbers low on our stats, it split opinion within our team (50/50) so just thought I would gauge opinion elsewhere.
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Hi KAJ My view would be to count these incidents unless you can convince yourselves that they were not "accidents" "at work". Even if we treat the 1931 findings of Heinrich without a pinch of salt, Mr Heinrich concluded that some injuries arising from accidents at work were just that - "accidents" where there was no practical way that they could have been prevented - so no "unsafe acts" and no "unsafe conditions". So, taking your second incident as an example, people WILL slip and trip when climbing up or down the stairs. They don't usually do this deliberately so instead these incidents happen by accident. If they are then capable of grabbing a handrail it means that usually the consequences are less severe than they might otherwise be. However, ultimately it will come down to what your organisation's policy is on counting accidents. May be there is pressure to keep the numbers down and thence to find any excuse to redefine events which most people would consider to be "accidents" as something different.
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This can be broken down into two separate questions: Should these incidents be added to your existing statistics?
The answer depends on the criteria you have established for data collection. If your reporting framework includes tracking the number of incidents and your definition of an incident aligns with one or both of these events, then it/they should be included. The fact that an investigation found no corrective action necessary should not be used as a reason to exclude them. One of the key purposes of collecting statistics is to identify trends—without tracking the data, potential trends may go unnoticed. Should this type of incident be reported in your statistics?
Previous responses have already addressed this aspect thoroughly, so I won’t repeat those points here. However, I personally believe these incidents should be tracked and included in your statistics.
Cheers, Tony.
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Originally Posted by: KAJ Safe Hi all I have had 2 accidents during work hours, the first was someone stepping into his FLT, no issues with footwear/floor/lighting or FLT, by the IP's own admission, his standing leg just gave away (no previous issues with his leg). He did everything as he should, his statement confirmed the above points and said "its one of those things". The second one was someone tripping while walking upstairs, again nothing wrong with footwear/lighting or stairs. He thought it was just clumsiness. Everything is logged but would you include these in your statistics.
Was each event the same person or two different people? If it was the same person perhaps there is something you need to look a little deeper into...
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Thanks Stevedm
They were separate people at separate sites.
Hi all I have had 2 accidents during work hours, the first was someone stepping into his FLT, no issues with footwear/floor/lighting or FLT, by the IP's own admission, his standing leg just gave away (no previous issues with his leg). He did everything as he should, his statement confirmed the above points and said "its one of those things". The second one was someone tripping while walking upstairs, again nothing wrong with footwear/lighting or stairs. He thought it was just clumsiness. Everything is logged but would you include these in your statistics.
Was each event the same person or two different people? If it was the same person perhaps there is something you need to look a little deeper into...
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Please excuse my ignorance if I have picked this up wrong. If the person whose leg gave way was not injured and there was no injury to the person who tripped up the stairs, why would you include these in your accident/injury stats? Tripping going upstairs is quite common; we’ve all done it, and it rarely leads to injury. So, I see no merit in counting this. Don’t get me wrong, I have encountered stairs with inconsistent risers and goings that present tripping hazards, which need to be addressed, but this may not be the case here.
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These occurrences were referred to as "accidents", not as "near misses".
There wasn't any mention of the people involved not being injured.
Tripping up stairs is indeed common, and it does sometimes lead to injury.
I don't see any basis for assuming there was no injury.
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