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MJ Wigan  
#1 Posted : 12 March 2025 11:20:55(UTC)
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MJ Wigan

we have started to receive some actions whereby the fire assembly point is not identified by signage , A fire action notice has been provided; however, the fire assembly point has not been identified.It should be ensured that the fire action notice has the designated fire assembly point included, this will help all occupants in the event of an emergency evacuation.

As the majority of our properties exit onto public highways there is no practical place to position such signage , the assembly point is generally 'at the front of the building'  some of the properties have a small garden to the front but not far enough away from the building to use as an assembly point. 

just looking for thoughts on this 

Roundtuit  
#2 Posted : 12 March 2025 14:42:04(UTC)
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Roundtuit

I am reading you have the common "Action in the event of fire" style notice which has been "stuck on the wall" without adding the necessary detail of where the assembly point is located (the blank space for writing or DYMO tape). For image example:

https://www.arco.co.uk/Web-Taxonomy/Signs/Fire-Safety-Signs/Fire-Action-Signs-and-Posters/PVC-%22Fire-Action-on-Discovering-Fire%22-Sign-200mm-x-300mm/p/PIMM00000000046619?sku=55TB405&queryId=043b93a3b1f12f3d899cdc1ef62a8c61

You dont need an external Fire Assembly Sign but what you do need is the internal instruction to say "at the front of the building" or "at the bottom of the car park" etc.

Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 12 March 2025 14:42:04(UTC)
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Roundtuit

I am reading you have the common "Action in the event of fire" style notice which has been "stuck on the wall" without adding the necessary detail of where the assembly point is located (the blank space for writing or DYMO tape). For image example:

https://www.arco.co.uk/Web-Taxonomy/Signs/Fire-Safety-Signs/Fire-Action-Signs-and-Posters/PVC-%22Fire-Action-on-Discovering-Fire%22-Sign-200mm-x-300mm/p/PIMM00000000046619?sku=55TB405&queryId=043b93a3b1f12f3d899cdc1ef62a8c61

You dont need an external Fire Assembly Sign but what you do need is the internal instruction to say "at the front of the building" or "at the bottom of the car park" etc.

peter gotch  
#4 Posted : 12 March 2025 17:27:20(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi MJ

Are these actions coming from some fire risk assessor who has failed to realise that fire legislation moved from "prescriptive" to "functional" over a decade ago?

....and thence thinks that one size fits all scenarios.

In my last place of work there were a few tenants spread over seven floors + a flat for the Building Manager and family above those.

Wouldn't be practical for all those working in the building to all assemble at the same place, nor even for our own 300 odd staff.

So, numerous assembly points (NONE immediately outside the building), on the opposite side of the streets each end of the building. 

Hence, what was important was that people on Floor X knew where THEIR assembly point would be. This done via information and training for staff + the induction video for visitors to our offices.

Any attempt to put all this down on Fire Evacation notices would have resulted in gross information overload.

If you are looking at relatively few people then perhaps an assembly point outside the building might work. But if that assembly point is M metres from the usual way in and out, why would you need to have it written down on a Fire Evacuation notice?

Perhaps your fire risk assessor might also like you to put up notices telling you which are the hot taps at each wash hand basin?!?! [I am assuming that your plumbing is to standard practice and that the taps are not the wrong way round!]

Kate  
#5 Posted : 12 March 2025 19:33:50(UTC)
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Kate

My interpretation is the same as Roundtuit's.  You just need to fill it in on the notices.

antbruce001  
#6 Posted : 13 March 2025 08:44:28(UTC)
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antbruce001

Roundtuit is correct. You are combining 2 different requirements.

1. Fire Action Notices: These should ALWAYS identify the assembly point - whether or not there is a sign at that location identifying it as such.

2. Fire Assembly Point Signage: Signage should be provided where reasonable. If the assembly point is at a point that is linked to the demise (car park, etc) then the approved signage should normally be provided. If the assembly point is on a public highway (the local bank across the road, for example) then signage is not required. The same principle applies to the provision of emergency lighting at assembly points. 

Hope this is clear.

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