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Chelle  
#1 Posted : 07 April 2025 14:27:24(UTC)
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Chelle

If someone had a work-related incident, no time off, was able to carry out most of their duties. However, for over 7 days had reduced working days by 1-2 hours, and had some minor alterations to duties, would this be classed as incapacitation - unable to peform normal working duties? I think it's a clear yes. But welcome thoughts please.

peter gotch  
#2 Posted : 07 April 2025 15:55:18(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi Chelle

Sounds like a clear YES to me.

The question is whether this person has been incapacitated from "routine work" and that has been the subject of much dispute (and MANY threads on these Forums!!) for many years including before the current iteration of RIDDOR.

People have found excuses NOT to report (or record) accidents at work which have resulted in injuries since the first reporting legislation was introduced in the UK in the 19th Century and will probably continue to look for excuses.

Hence over the years the wording has been tightened but people STILL look for loopholes.

One of the big arguments has always been which DAYS to count and not count.

So, you do NOT count the day of the accident, but you DO count days when the victim would not be due to work IF they were incapacitated on such days. So, if someone works Monday to Friday you DO count the Saturday and Sunday.

Then there is the issue of what "routine work" means and the general view (including that in HSE guidance) is that this means what is "routine" for the person involved.

So, suppose their normal day job is to drive fork trucks but that involves a bit of paperwork, if the person is injured and cannot drive a fork truck but can do more paperwork then they are no longer doing what is "routine" work" for THEM. 

In your particular scenario you apppear to have that question of what they are actually deployed to do whilst recovering but also reduced hours.

So, let's suppose that their "routine work" pattern is 5 days a week for 8 hours a day, but they are given a return to work plan that says that they work for only 6 hours a day, then if that is because they are "incapacitated" from working 8 hours, then they fall within scope. In contrast, if the reduced hours are some sort of compensation - "have some shorter days, you've earned it" then may be you are in a grey area. That coujld lead to a heated debate, but if their "routine work" involves mostly driving fork trucks and they are doing shorter days of paperwork, then case closed in my book!

Edited by user 08 April 2025 10:09:56(UTC)  | Reason: Lazy finger typo

thanks 3 users thanked peter gotch for this useful post.
HSSnail on 08/04/2025(UTC), Martin Fieldingt on 08/04/2025(UTC), Chelle on 08/04/2025(UTC)
HSSnail  
#3 Posted : 08 April 2025 08:07:58(UTC)
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HSSnail

Agree with Peter, as an isnspector we would look at Normal/Routine work, if someone is on light duties thats not routine so yes if you hit the 7 days its RIDDOR

thanks 2 users thanked HSSnail for this useful post.
Martin Fieldingt on 08/04/2025(UTC), Chelle on 08/04/2025(UTC)
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