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laurasmith870  
#1 Posted : 17 November 2025 09:34:55(UTC)
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laurasmith870

Hi all,

I am hoping someone would be able to share what standard agenda they have when it comes to H&S meetings with executive teams in their college?

My current place of work is stuggling with what they wish to have provided so wanting to provide some examples/clarification as my standard is ISO45001 

A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 17 November 2025 13:20:26(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Well it depends on what your committee is about. I notice you do not mention employee or student representatives, which means that the main aim of this meeting is to reassure  the executive body that you are in control of H&S at the college.  How you do that depends in he personalities in the executive. Sometimes they will leave it to you as the H&S professional  and all they will require is that you give them a thumbs up. Others will expect KPIs and evidence of a proactive approach.  So audits: evidence that they are happening, a summary of what is going on,  are actions being closed down and are things getting better.

Incidents, similar sort of thing.

Are systems including policies being reviewed and kept up to date? Are risk assessments in place and being reviewed? What about H&S related training is it happening?

One issue which makes educational establishment more interesting is the  presence of students, who by their very definition are not competent. Are they being properly supervised and do the risk assessments take into account that they are students who are learning how to be safe  at work.

laurasmith870  
#3 Posted : 17 November 2025 13:27:17(UTC)
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laurasmith870

Thanks for commenting :)

It is for staff/exec team.

I have previously been on ISO45001 standard so would use that for the agenda and the board/directors have been happy for H&S to lead.

The issues we currently have is the change in what they want and it seems more like they are not sure so I am regularly changing it to find an answer.

Currently students are not involved due to confidential information regularly discussed by a team member goes to the student forum instead.

Policies, risk assessment, training etc are all reviewed by the H&S team (me) and discussed in the committe meeting 

peter gotch  
#4 Posted : 17 November 2025 17:03:57(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi Laura

To be honest I don't think there is any particular reason for the agenda for an H&S meeting with executives to be fundamentally different to the agenda that would be appropriate for a factory or hospital of similar size.

So, in whatever scenario you could consider two key questions:

1. What the execs want to know

2. What you think that the execs should hear about even when they DON'T want to know!

.....and I suggest that in either case this should be driven by the key risks associated with running the organisation.

AK mentions KPIs and all too often what the Board wants to mostly know is information on reactive indicators such as numbers of Lost Time Injuries and/or Lost Time Injury Frequency Rate (LTIFR).

However, if the same Board was looking at production they might look at the success rate more closely than the failure rate though often these are two sides of the same coin. 95% of students getting their qualification is the same as 5% of students failing to pass - though, of course, it probably is worth investigating why 5% are not getting past a key hurdle, if that gives pointers to what the organisation could do better - i.e. the Board doesn't simply put the failures down to the substandard actions of the students and looks into whether there are any substandard conditions for the students to work in.

Boards like a KPI that looks at LTIFR partly as it is one method in which they can attempt to benchmark with "similar" organisations, and perhaps in part as the chances are that if you look at a long enough period the LTIFR should usually be on a downward trajectory and everyone likes a pretty graph that appears to indicate that all is looking rosier.

Why "should" ? Because global statistics show that organisations have generally reduced LTIFRs through the decades since about the end of World War II. Probably mostly nothing to do with organisations getting better at managing H&S per se, but more about technological development and progress with improved Safety (and to a lesser extent Occupational Health) standards in effect coming as a free bonus.

The problem with LTIFR is that generally it reports on accidents to workers and ignores what happens to those other than the organisation's own workers UNLESS the organisation also monitors what happens to others, including e.g. those working for its supply chain and, those impacted by its activities, who are not at work, who in your case include the students.

We have reached the point that in many organisations the chance of someone being fatally or seriously injured OFF site is higher than the chance of an accident resulting in such harm ON site.

But do your Execs actually want to know that "Procurement" are awarding Contracts that involve things being transported to and from site without effective due diligence of the Contractors' means of managing the OFF site risks?  - or will this only be of interest to them when Jenny Smith aged 6 is run over by a vehicle in a poor state of maintenance being used to carry materials to or from YOUR site and with the driver exceeding the speed limit in a built up area, and the investigative journalists start pointing the finger at the College? At which point it is less H&S risk, and more a risk to the organisation's reputation.

.....and do these Execs want to know about how many of your staff will be suffering occupational ill health in 5,10 or 20 years time? 

This is where the old principle "what gets measured, gets managed" doesn't really work, as you can't easily keep statistics for harm that has yet to present.

Which means that you need to consider what precursors of that harm to "measure", if you are to "manage" the risks.

Exactly the same will apply to MOST of the environmental risks your organisation presents to the outside world.

Hence what proactive KPIs would help the Execs consider the key risks?

AK has mentioned training. I suggest you might also think about how to measure the H&S performance of your supply chain.

....and I am not sure that hanging your hat on 45001 or any other ISO standard is particularly helpful. It's easy to jump through the hoops of ISO accreditation, yet miss lots of the key risks!

Example, in line with one element of 45001 you commit to putting 95% of staff through training package Special K in the next year, and you hit that target.

Fine except that from a legal perspective and compliance with HSWA etc, it might be the 5% who didn't get trained who represent a much greater risk (from whatever perspective).

...and if training package Special K is not suitable for the needs of many of the 95% you might have a mix of some people who have received training that adds little, if any, value, and at the same time failing to adequately train some of the others who have had this package either as the training was not appropriate to the staff's needs or because they have failed to assimilate it. 

At which point telling the Execs that "we have hit our target of delivering Special K training to 95% of staff in te last year" means that you are likely to influence a false sense of security. 

Why not jot down:

A. Top 10 risks that you perceive in terms of those employed by the College.

B. Top 10 risks to students and other members of the public

C. Top 10 risks that your supply chain imports to the College, whether ON or OFF site

Then work out what to do to assess how well all these risks are being managed.

Then decide which e.g. 10 of the 30 need most attention and devise an action plan with SMART targets so that the Execs can monitor progress on an action plan? 

Muhammad Umair Ashraf  
#5 Posted : 17 November 2025 18:48:05(UTC)
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Muhammad Umair Ashraf

Originally Posted by: peter gotch Go to Quoted Post

Hi Laura

To be honest I don't think there is any particular reason for the agenda for an H&S meeting with executives to be fundamentally different to the agenda that would be appropriate for a factory or hospital of similar size.

So, in whatever scenario you could consider two key questions:

1. What the execs want to know

2. What you think that the execs should hear about even when they DON'T want to know!

.....and I suggest that in either case this should be driven by the key risks associated with running the organisation.

AK mentions KPIs and all too often what the Board wants to mostly know is information on reactive indicators such as numbers of Lost Time Injuries and/or Lost Time Injury Frequency Rate (LTIFR).

However, if the same Board was looking at production they might look at the success rate more closely than the failure rate though often these are two sides of the same coin. 95% of students getting their qualification is the same as 5% of students failing to pass - though, of course, it probably is worth investigating why 5% are not getting past a key hurdle, if that gives pointers to what the organisation could do better - i.e. the Board doesn't simply put the failures down to the substandard actions of the students and looks into whether there are any substandard conditions for the students to work in.

Boards like a KPI that looks at LTIFR partly as it is one method in which they can attempt to benchmark with "similar" organisations, and perhaps in part as the chances are that if you look at a long enough period the LTIFR should usually be on a downward trajectory and everyone likes a pretty graph that appears to indicate that all is looking rosier.

Why "should" ? Because global statistics show that organisations have generally reduced LTIFRs through the decades since about the end of World War II. Probably mostly nothing to do with organisations getting better at managing H&S per se, but more about technological development and progress with improved Safety (and to a lesser extent Occupational Health) standards in effect coming as a free bonus.

The problem with LTIFR is that generally it reports on accidents to workers and ignores what happens to those other than the organisation's own workers UNLESS the organisation also monitors what happens to others, including e.g. those working for its supply chain and, those impacted by its activities, who are not at work, who in your case include the students.

We have reached the point that in many organisations the chance of someone being fatally or seriously injured OFF site is higher than the chance of an accident resulting in such harm ON site.

But do your Execs actually want to know that "Procurement" are awarding Contracts that involve things being transported to and from site without effective due diligence of the Contractors' means of managing the OFF site risks?  - or will this only be of interest to them when Jenny Smith aged 6 is run over by a vehicle in a poor state of maintenance being used to carry materials to or from YOUR site and with the driver exceeding the speed limit in a built up area, and the investigative journalists start pointing the finger at the College? At which point it is less H&S risk, and more a risk to the organisation's reputation.

.....and do these Execs want to know about how many of your staff will be suffering occupational ill health in 5,10 or 20 years time? 

This is where the old principle "what gets measured, gets managed" doesn't really work, as you can't easily keep statistics for harm that has yet to present.

Which means that you need to consider what precursors of that harm to "measure", if you are to "manage" the risks.

Exactly the same will apply to MOST of the environmental risks your organisation presents to the outside world.

Hence what proactive KPIs would help the Execs consider the key risks?

AK has mentioned training. I suggest you might also think about how to measure the H&S performance of your supply chain.

....and I am not sure that hanging your hat on 45001 or any other ISO standard is particularly helpful. It's easy to jump through the hoops of ISO accreditation, yet miss lots of the key risks!

Example, in line with one element of 45001 you commit to putting 95% of staff through training package Special K in the next year, and you hit that target.

Fine except that from a legal perspective and compliance with HSWA etc, it might be the 5% who didn't get trained who represent a much greater risk (from whatever perspective).

...and if training package Special K is not suitable for the needs of many of the 95% you might have a mix of some people who have received training that adds little, if any, value, and at the same time failing to adequately train some of the others who have had this package either as the training was not appropriate to the staff's needs or because they have failed to assimilate it. 

At which point telling the Execs that "we have hit our target of delivering Special K training to 95% of staff in te last year" means that you are likely to influence a false sense of security. 

Why not jot down:

A. Top 10 risks that you perceive in terms of those employed by the College.

B. Top 10 risks to students and other members of the public

C. Top 10 risks that your supply chain imports to the College, whether ON or OFF site

Then work out what to do to assess how well all these risks are being managed.

Then decide which e.g. 10 of the 30 need most attention and devise an action plan with SMART targets so that the Execs can monitor progress on an action plan? 

Thank you for the detailed perspective. I agree that an executive H&S agenda should be driven by real organisational risks, not just ISO checklists or reactive statistics. On a construction project—especially a villa development the risks extend far beyond on-site LTIs and must include off-site transport risks, subcontractor performance, public interface around residential areas, and long-term health exposures from activities like dust generation, manual handling, and noise. Executives need both what they want to hear and what they need to hear, so I will map out the top risks related to our workforce, local community, and supply chain, including deliveries moving through neighbourhood streets. From this, I’ll develop leading KPIs and SMART actions that genuinely reflect how well these risks are being controlled. This ensures the agenda supports informed decision-making and avoids giving a false sense of safety based only on injury numbers.

A Kurdziel  
#6 Posted : 18 November 2025 09:36:22(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
A Kurdziel

Who is Muhammad Umair Ashraf and why does 80% of his response consist of reproducing peter’s long but thorough response? I am suspicious as to his status as the original post is clearly about  H&S in Further  Education and his response is clearly   all about construction referencing building villas.

thanks 1 user thanked A Kurdziel for this useful post.
peter gotch on 18/11/2025(UTC)
stevedm  
#7 Posted : 18 November 2025 11:06:31(UTC)
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stevedm

I think he may be Peter's digital twin...  :)

thanks 1 user thanked stevedm for this useful post.
peter gotch on 18/11/2025(UTC)
peter gotch  
#8 Posted : 18 November 2025 15:50:04(UTC)
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peter gotch

AK - Laura's profile indicates that they are in England.

I guess that many colleges in England might be considering how many villas to build.

On the other hand, most probably are not.

stevedm  
#9 Posted : 19 November 2025 13:27:30(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
stevedm

I had to dig into the archives for this one...in a land far far away...we too had the issue with safety meetings and getting the best out of them.  So not sure this is directly in reponse but this is what we did initially to help ensure we had good quality meetings.  It is a bit basic but it worked at the time...I have an agenda to go with it but I guess you get the jist...I'm sure the rolls will have something to say but it was a temporary measure to ensure we got the best out of the time spent...hope this helps :)

Below is guidance on achieving full credit for the effectiveness of the safety committee as recorded through the minutes of the meetings. Score between zero and 5. To progress each area must be consistently achieved in turn from zero upwards.

1

Meeting Attendees

0

Balanced attendance between all operational departments never achieved

1

Unbalanced and patchy attendance

2

Deputies for key managers are formally assigned but do not always attend in the absence of that manager.

3

Key managers for all departments attend 90% or more of the safety meetings, Deputies always attend the remaining 10%.

4

Consistent balanced attendance from all operational areas at all meetings. Key managers attend all safety meetings

5

All areas represented, deputies always attend for the occasional absence of the departmental senior manager (eg Production Manager, Site Manager) , specialists attend occasionally, deputies copied the minutes

2

Frequency of Meetings

0

No meetings held

1

2 or less meetings a year

2

Less than 4 meetings a year NB minimum 4 meetings per year.

3

4 or more meetings a year

4

6 meetings a year evenly spaced

5

5 meetings a year evenly spaced with additional meetings flexing in timing to match and support significant events

3

Content/New Matters Arising

0

No focus to the content, many non-safety items.

1

Significantly unbalanced coverage of branch operational activities. Some new items raised mostly safety related. Actions to management only.

2

Ownership of actions and clear targets inconsistent or unclear. Several new items raised all safety related. Most actions to management only.

3

Clear ownership of actions and detailed target completion dates set. All attendees pick up some actions.

4

Balanced simple record of progress across all operational areas. Updates made at each meeting prior to closure. Actions reasonably balanced across all attendees.

5

Updates of progress and closure. Reasons for closure with action completed. Issues concentrate on the key exposures and records of permanent fixes achieved. Record of committee visiting operational areas and other organisations as part of the meeting process.

4

Quality/Speed of Action Closure

0

Persistent failure to close off items and no system for setting and meeting targets

1

No carry-forward system of items outstanding from previous meetings

2

Most of the actions created not cleared within two meetings

3

Clear record of appropriate action taken to close out each item.

4

System in place for prioritising actions, measurement of progress and success in closing off items

5

All committee members accepting and closing action items. Committee performance measurement process recorded in minutes.

 

5

Safety Advisers Report

0

Persistently fails to present a report

1

Report covers A only without remedial actions

2

Report covers A with remedial actions only

3

Report covers A+B only

4

Report covers A+B+C only

5

Consistently achieves full reporting: A+B+C+D

Safety Advisors Report should contain the following

A

A description of all reportable injuries, diseases and dangerous occurrences that have occurred since last meeting, together with details of the remedial actions taken.

B

Details of any new Health & Safety legislation directly or indirectly affecting the organisation, together with details of any action that may be necessary.

C

Information on the outcome of any safety monitoring activities undertaken during the time since the last meeting e.g safety inspections of specific areas

D

Any other matters which, in the opinion of the secretary and the chair that need a decision of the committee.

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