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#1 Posted : 20 November 2003 12:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Zoe Barnett Can anyone please recommend a good employment agency, preferably specialising in H&S management posts, in the Medway Towns or the surrounding area of North Kent? A tall order I know but any tips would be gratefully received.
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#2 Posted : 20 November 2003 13:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert Paterson Hi Zoe You could visit the website www.safetynews.co.uk and look at the jobs section where they feature quite a few agencies Good Luck Robert Paterson
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#3 Posted : 20 November 2003 13:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Raymond Zoe, Please goto www.keypeople.co.uk We specialise in the Health and Safety market, so will be able to find something that fits your criteria. Regards Dave
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#4 Posted : 21 November 2003 09:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By STEPHEN HOLDEN Zoe Try principle people (www.principal-people.co.uk) in Chertsey or Review (www.review.co.uk , I think!) in Harrow. There are numerous others, try searchin "Health & Safety" + "Recruitment" Good Luck
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#5 Posted : 21 November 2003 10:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Pigg Thanks for mentioning us, Stephen :) Richard Pigg Senior Consultant - Review Health & Safety
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#6 Posted : 21 November 2003 11:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lewis T Roberts Zoe I from experience have found to date none as good as advertising directly your self. What you have to remember is that agencies and consultants in general terms are more concerned with their commercial sucess than the quality of the service they give. This may not be true for a few but there are few. Lew
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#7 Posted : 21 November 2003 11:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Raymond Lewis, The difference between direct advertising and using a recruitment consultancy, will always come down to relative cost for the client and how urgent the candidate wants to find a new position. Recruitment consultancies offer a service to clients that brings them a cost effective solution. Suppling the client with a short list of only a hand full of candidates, who have been interviewed, are within expectation (ie. Location & salary & needs), manage the interview and offer process and will work closely to create a long term relationship with the client and all candidates involved. Compare this to direct advertising, where the client will receive either 2 or 102 CV's for 1 post. They will have to take the time to go through CV's, shortlist, interview and offer. And then the candidate decides to leave, and so that process has to start again. Costing the client way in excess of a consultancies fees in HR worked hours, advertising costs. And in the worst scenario, not being able to fill a business critical post within timescale costing the whole business thousands per day. For the candidate, well the benefits are clear, they are kept in mind for more positions that will ever be advertised. As most clients would rather fill positions quickly rather than advertising, they enlist the consultancies to use their database, or search & select a candidate who is available within their time period. Thus giving the candidate unrivalled options for a new post. Good consultancies offer a free advise service to client and candidates, talking candidly about the wants and needs and the best possible route to finding the solution. Hopefully we are one of your few?? Dave www.keypeople.co.uk
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#8 Posted : 21 November 2003 15:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lewis T Roberts David, You are absolutley right in what you say. You may well be one of the few. I am sure that you would agree that there is in general terms a vast difference in what a consultancy or agency advertises or proports to be able to deliver and what actually gets delivered. It is rife in all service areas you only have to look at watch dog type programmes to get a feel for trends. What is promised is rarely recieved. Expectations are rarely matched and less exceeded. Lew
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#9 Posted : 21 November 2003 15:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Raymond Lewis, Management of expectations is really the key. All to often 1 bad experience will out shadow any number of good experiences, and thats for both candidates and clients. Dave
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#10 Posted : 21 November 2003 17:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By peter gotch Somewhat worrying when an agency posts a vacancy indicating the person spec.... The ideal candidate will hold a NEBOSH Certificate, or equivalent and be a Corporate Member of IOSH. I would expect any recruitment consultant specialising in H&S professionals to know what the academic routes towards MIOSH status are. Peter
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#11 Posted : 24 November 2003 10:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lewis T Roberts Couldn't agree more with Peter. Even the biggest one that I am ware of suggests that MIOSH by qualification (what ever that is)together with NEBOSH cert. Lew.
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#12 Posted : 28 November 2003 10:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Diane Thomason I agree totally with Lew and Peter. 4 years ago when I was job searching I applied for a number of jobs through agencies. Not one single time was I contacted to let me know the outcome of my application. This I find discourteous in the extreme. I also agree that any agency that deals in H&S vacancies should at least take the time to familiarise themselves with H&S qualifications and professional body memberships. I have to say also that having been on the other side - using agencies to recruit staff - that was not a great experience either; we were sent far too many totally unsuitable candidates whose strongest point was having a very attractive CV, full of personnel-management-speak, that had obviously been beautifully polished by the agency. Apologies to you "good" agency people but this is what my experience has been. Diane
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#13 Posted : 28 November 2003 10:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Raymond Diane, It is a real shame when I hear a story such as yours, the bad light really does shine across all of us (agencies) !!! As a member of REC and a professional recruiter, the activity of "polishing" a CV is a practice that I have never condoned. We often work closely with a candidate to improve their CV so that their skills are brought to the fore, but all adjustments are carried out by the candidate and not by ourselves so that it is a true and honest picture of the candidate. And not a storyline. Knowledge of IOSH membership and qualifications is an essential skill in this industry, however as recruiters we have to keep an open mind so that possible candidates who are not quite qualified also stand a chance of improving themselves. So if we advertise for a MIOSH or possibly a NEBOSH certficate. Our client is actually instructing us that ideally they would like a member of IOSH, but they will consider someone with a NEBOSH certificate so they can then train them onto diploma level and gain MIOSH with them. Phew thats a mouthful for a friday! Dave
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#14 Posted : 28 November 2003 11:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mark Burton I couldn't agree more with what Dave has said. As an individual member of the REC and working for an organisation that has for a long time been a member of the REC and has been recruiting HSE professionals for almost 10 years, there are very clear guidelines about what we should and should not do. We also have a very important role to play in educating clients about the expectations of candidates and vice versa and we spend a lot of time discussing relevant qualifications with clients and matching them to the scope and responsibility of a role. Clients will often ask for a candidate with health and safety qualifications but may be unaware of what qualifications would best suit their role and what the expectations of a candidate with a certain level of qualification may expect to be paid. If a client is looking for MIOSH but would accept applications from candidates with perfect experience and the right personality fit and a lower level of qualifications then this will be reflected in our advertising and should not be taken as an indication that as an agency we do not understand the levels of qualifications or experience within the profession. In terms of the suitability of c.v.'s, our practise is to send no more than 5 to a client that match their expectations. Reputable, professional agencies will not make any changes to a candidates' c.v. The Recruitment and Employment Confederation has a very strong code of conduct and if an agency is suspected of misleading clients or candidates I would certainly suggest that they direct a complaint to the REC who will deal with the agency through their disciplinary procedures. As in any other profession, one bad company can create a negative perception of all recruitment companies. However, if you do the right thing by people they will keep coming back to you. Companies who mislead clients or candidates, or behave in an inappropriate way will soon be found out and will hopefully disappear before they have the opportunity to damage the reputation of all recruiters in this niche market place. Mark
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#15 Posted : 29 November 2003 15:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Geoff Burt What a good advertisement for some agencies this thread has been! But, Zoe, did any of it help?
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