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#1 Posted : 05 February 2004 16:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jennifer Kelly
Everyone -

I am seriously considering doing a MSc in Occupational Health and Safety in September. I have not made a firm decision yet as I am researching all the options but I am curious to see if anyone else has done an MSc, whilst working, and how they found it.

All opinions, comments and thoughts very welcome.

Thanks

Jennifer
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#2 Posted : 05 February 2004 18:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Nick Higginson
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I'm currently doing an MSc at Loughborough via distance learning. I work full time and have a young family, so time is not something I have a lot of!

It's going ok, first project nearly done (8,000 words) - it's the research that takes the time, rather than the typing. I have found it better to do a little often rather than sit down every other weekend and try to do loads. I had a couple of weeks off over Christmas, and managed to write a couple of hundred words every day. This didn't take long, but knocked out quite a bit of the wordcount.

Feel free to drop me line direct if you want anymore info.

Kind regards

Nick
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#3 Posted : 05 February 2004 20:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brian McMahon
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Try asking your question on this MSN group as well:

http://groups.msn.com/MS...ealthandSafetyManagement

It's a group set up by one of the intakes for the MSc in H&S by distance learning programme at Leicester.

Leicester recommend about 12 hours of study per week for each of the 6 modules, which each last about 12 weeks.


Brian
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#4 Posted : 05 February 2004 23:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stuart Nagle
Jennifer.

I am doing the MSc (Distance Lesarning) at Portsmouth. Probably my only complaint is that I believe they think all persons going on the course have done this type of study before at degree level, they have not...

Hence, I had the materials arrive, but no information/instructions were supplied on what to do - or how, but that it was vital to attend the pre-course introductory meeting day at Portsmouth. I waited eagerly for the day, to find them telling everyone 'well by now you have been studying for some weeks'.... Bit of a shock to the system....and created a bit of panic....

However, all in all when you weigh up the pro's and con's it's got to be worth it. NEBOSH, although well sought by employers as being 'the' standard, is so expensive (Diploma parts 1 and 2 could probably set you back in excess of £6000 judging from the adverts i've seen lately in SHP for what? 10 weeks or so), and whilst the cost of an MSc at Portsmouth is in the same region (a little less) the qualification offers a little extra (three years study - i.e. 2 X semesters each year for 3 years for full MSc, consisting 2X semesters for PgC - MIOSH Entry - 2X semesters for PgD and final year is the MSc Thesis) and may open a few more doors!

No it's not a 'fast route if you're going all the way, but you will get your moneys worth. The self study is rewarding, but hard work, especially when holding down the day job, and burning the mid-night oil occassionally....

Give it a bash, you can only fail, but come back stronger... I await with bated breath results of assignments and am looking forward (not) to exams...!!!!!
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#5 Posted : 06 February 2004 00:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp
Jennifer,

I am currently finishing my MSc in Health and Safety Management with Leicester, dissertation due 20th Feb. Burning the midnight oil again!

Working full-time and doing an MSc degree course is not easy, if it was, everyone would be doing it. That said, I have really enjoyed the course for many different reasons. I am fortunate that I have the support of my wife, no kids and I find doing shift work helps. Work mostly when I am on a late turn (every other week).

Reading some of the comments so far I would add that you should make every effort to look into the course, costs, time etc. Leicester were very helpful in the beginning and also arrange a weekend school (optional) at the beginning of the course. Which enables you meet other students, most of whom share the same concerns and aspirations.

Best aspects: networking and meeting new friends, learning and achieving something tangible (left school with no qualifications).

Worst: paying for the course !!!

Regards

Ray
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#6 Posted : 06 February 2004 10:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Spencer
It is rewarding to hear so many people in the United Kindom are doing graduate studies in OHS/Safety. I think this is the way of the future and have said so on many occations in closed and open forum.

I have a consultancy outside the UK and have found that there is a greater level of understanding of the issues surrounding 'man/machine/environment' if that person has had the benifit of higher education in the subject matter.

I have found that as the country I live in has developed a professional route for OHS specialists the environment has eagerly taken advantage of the highter learned skills.

To all those who have made a commitment I say well done. I wish you all the best for choosing to put your money where your mouth is and become professiounally qualified.

Well done.

Richard Spencer M.Sc M.EnvMgt PGradDipOHS
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#7 Posted : 06 February 2004 12:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Arran Linton - Smith
Jennifer
I am currently undertaking a part-time MSc in Environmental Management and this means that I am only away from work 1 day per week.

I am finding the experience both challenging and rewarding. Networking with other students I do find essential.

I have noticed that our full time students appear to be getting slightly higher marks for their course work and exams, but as we are all well clear of the minimum making standard it is only an issue of personal pride.

Fortunately the university that I have chosen has a good online resource centre and library, therefore this makes working from home with a broadband internet connection very easy. We are even able to submit most of our assignments via the internet.

If I were now seeking professional OH&S training, this would be my preferred route.
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#8 Posted : 06 February 2004 13:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Joe Quinn
Hi Jennifer,

I completed a Post Graduate Certificate with Portsmouth Uni last March. I had not intended going for the MSc until I heard about a possible fast track option to add to my PGc. This option, currently being put together by Woodland Grange in conjunction with Oxford Brooks Uni will entail bridging courses followed by a dissertation. Have a look at the website www.wgrange.com for more info.
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#9 Posted : 09 February 2004 19:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jennifer Kelly
Everyone -

Thanks so much for all of the replies. Knowing that others are, or have been, in the same boat is always heartening and I am always impressed at how quick members of this forum are to offer advice and encouragement. It gives me a warm glow!

I have decided to do as much research on the courses avaliable as I can so I may contact directly those of you who offered more advice. However from the small amount of research I have done can anyone answer one simple question?

Why do some unis offer the MSc (via distance learning) over two years and others over three years? All of the ones I have looked are accredited by IOSH so why such a difference?

Any answers?

Jennifer
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#10 Posted : 10 February 2004 13:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Wettler
Jennifer,

I too would be interested to know why some universities offer a 3 year MSc by distant learning and others offer a 2 year MSc by the same route.

I am just completing the 1st semester of year 2 with Portsmouth, MSc Occupational and Environmental Health and Safety Management.

There are four modules in the 1st year and 3 in the second year plus an examination. In year 3 there is a project proposal plus a 20,000 word research project.

An aquaintance is completing his final year of a MSc in Occupational Health and Safety Management. His course requirement is one 20,0000 word project in the 1st year and another 20,000 project in the second year.

We both have the same qualification, Dip2 OSH with MIOSH.

Is there anyone out there who can explain why the the routes to an MSc are so different?

Regards

John

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#11 Posted : 10 February 2004 14:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris. Hudson
Hi Jennifer, I'm one of the two Course Leaders at Portsmouth. To answer your question about the length of courses, it depends on the amount of attendance that is required (if any), and the forms of asessment. The course at Portsmouth is entirely distance learning, and we don't set out a specific time for completion. It is true however, that typically it would be 3 years from start to finish for our MSc.

Looking through the responses you received that referred to the Portsmouth course, I noticed a number of inaccuracies, even when they were written by ex. and current students! If you or anyone else would like information "from the horse's mouth", please e.mail me at, chris.hudson@port.ac.uk
Good luck with your studies!
Regards, Chris.
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#12 Posted : 14 February 2004 01:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp
Jennifer,

I am as miffed as you are why there is a disparity between courses.

The moral of the story is to take the fastest and easiest route.

Ray
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#13 Posted : 25 February 2004 13:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By MIKE BRYAN
Jennifer

perhaps I am in a good position to offer you an informed view .
I have attained an MSc at Portsmouth and my experience of the programme was good.I must add that I had previously completed the NEBOSH Diploma (single part version).I have also managed NEBOSH study programmes and taught on Cert/Diploma courses.
My overall impression of my MSc was it was fine at the time in my career when I studied it (i.e after 20 plus years in work and after attending numerous other H&S training courses ,including NEBOSH OSH and Environmental Diplomas).Personally i think that the NEBOSH options provide a far more effective learning experience for those wishing to move into the profession as they develop the underpinning required by the modern OSH professional.The MSc should be treated as an award that builds on this underpinning knowledg and further develops the existing OSH professional.

I hope this helps you decide on your future path.

Regards

Mike Bryan
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#14 Posted : 25 February 2004 15:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Christne White
Jennifer. There is a huge difference between the MSc and the NEBOSH course. Where the NEBOSH course gives detail and the tools to actually do a SHE advisory role the MSc is much more theoretical/academic. If you aim to be an advisor my advice would be to do the NEBOSH and then if you still want to, follow up with other qualifications. I have done both and should say that the NEBOSH is much more difficult but I wouldn't have been able to do my job competently without it. We as an employer would look for NEBOSH for these same reasons. Which ever way you decide to go it is hard work holding down a job and family at the same time but you can do it, good luck.
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#15 Posted : 01 March 2004 18:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jennifer Kelly
Interesting the last two comments that have come along.

I have called nearly every university with an accredited MSc course to see what they could offer me. I have a first degree in an unrelated area, the NEBOSH certificate and am currently working in H&S (have done about a year now). Not ideal I realise and most of the universities have said this, BUT I cannot get day release so distance learning really is the only option hence the MSc route.

In an ideal world I would get everything paid for, time off for class and time off for revision. Reality means that if I want to progress in an area that I find often challenging, often frustrating but mostly very interesting, I need to do things off my own bat. The MSc courses on offer are more academic and theoretical but not overly so and they offer an option to people in my situtation - work experience will hopefully balance out the rest.

Only thing to do now is apply and see what the response is. Again everyone your thoughts are always welcome!

Jennifer
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#16 Posted : 05 March 2004 15:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By David A Lake
Jennifer

I did a full time MSc in HS&E Mgt at Paisley Uni 96-97 while working full time. My employer at the time (Volvo) was very flexible and allowed me to juggle my time to make the lectures on 2 afternoons and evenings per week (on the understanding that I made up the time.) Although the whole experience was tough it did pass very quickly and I would recommend the same route to anyone else considering an MSc.

Incidentaly, I paid the fees (£4,000)with a career development loan. It was the cheapest money I will ever borrow.

Cheers
David
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#17 Posted : 05 March 2004 16:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Damian Bryan
I completed the MSc in 2001
It is a tough course, particularly if you work full time as there was a lot of late evening study (distance learning course).
I did mine via Portsmouth Uni = excellent tutors and support staff....but be prepared to work HARD!
Good luck if you decide to go for it!
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