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#1 Posted : 04 August 2005 14:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Louis Cooper Would there be value in creating another careers forum for those looking for work / seeking advice. This would better enable jobseekers to find jobs and better enable recruiters to find prospective employees. I like to have a browse now every month or so to see who's advertising, however, each time I browse it seems to become more and more of a trawl -especially when some jobseekers have misleading subject lines like 'Health and Safety Position' and then describe what they are looking for. Crafty. I had a quick look on the careers forum and around 80 -90% are from people looking for a position. I would be interested to see what the consensus is for creating separate forums. Apologies if this has been discussed previously.
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#2 Posted : 04 August 2005 15:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Linda Crossland-Clarke Good idea. Linda
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#3 Posted : 04 August 2005 15:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Website Co-ordinator Afternoon Louis, We are currently reviewing how our careers forum is being used, and will be making updates to the area early next year. However, all comments and suggestions are welcome as we are very interested in your views regarding the discussion forum. Kind regards Lou
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#4 Posted : 04 August 2005 16:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adam Apologies for sticking this response on this thread, but the original one was removed whilst I was writing up my comment - I also think that what I have to say is relevant to this posting as well. Not wanting to stick up for the agency that posted the ad that has just been removed, but as a recruiter myself, can I ask the question if members really do object to Recruiters posting ads? I know some members object to the notice board being used for 'agency ads', so I don't post my job ads on this site. However I struggle to see the difference between recruiters advertising jobs and H&S Consultancies posting blanket calls for candidates on the site. Furthermore if I have a job that is of interest to IOSH members/site visitors, surely posting an ad for the job is of benefit to everyone: Candidate - gets the job they want Client - gets the candidate they want Website - gets the additional traffic I hope this posting doesn't overstep the mark between comment and promotion, but if, as this thread suggests, an additional 'Careers Forum' is set up, the site administrators may wish to consider a slight rethink over policy. Kind Regards Adam
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#5 Posted : 04 August 2005 16:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Frank Hallett I'm inclined to agree with the original poster and Adam. There is patently a clear need for a Forum dedicated to recrutment as well as one for career development. The Moderators will find their work made easier and IOSH could even generate some revenue by imposing a modest fee on those recruiting [looking for people to fill posts] whilst still enabling those looking for positions to post free. Taking the earlier observation by the Moderator, perhaps an intent and a progress report would help. If we are then considering the provision of a Forum to advertise vacancies and availabilities; should we then in the future provide a Forum for the humble independant consultannt to advertise as well? For a modest fee of course! I'd give it a go provided the fee was modest by my standards. Frank Hallett
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#6 Posted : 04 August 2005 16:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By HSE Adam, I agree with you in the fact that I do not see the difference between 'H&S Consultancies posting blanket calls for candidates on the site' (as you say) and agencies posting ad's. I do object however to agencies who do not follow the guidelines that everyone else does and post their ad's which are a breach to the acceptable user guidelines. It annoys me how certain people / agencies feel that they are different somehow and are ok to post ad's when the rest of us adhere to the correct procedures. I do think that it would be a good idea for a seperate forum where agencies can post ad's, even if it is at a cost, and this is something that I have asked IOSH. Hopefully something can get sorted in the future.
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#7 Posted : 05 August 2005 09:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim-F Why cant we have an indication on the posting that its a person seeking work and the same for a recruiter so tha people can differentiate in an instant
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#8 Posted : 05 August 2005 10:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Graham Hardcastle I am relatively new to IOSH, and ever since I have been using the site have always thought...... They should have two more forums, one for both sides of the field (Positions available, and People available). This would save so much time for everybody.
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#9 Posted : 05 August 2005 12:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert S Woods If the jobs get posted here, who will pay to put them in the SHP which reaches the same people? Can't see IOSH cutting its own throat.
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#10 Posted : 05 August 2005 12:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By HSE Robert, I imagine that quite a few people would still advertise in SHP for a couple of reasons. Firstly, not everyone who reads SHP might visit this website all the time so therefore you could potentially be missing out on good candidates. Secondly, SHP is also a good way to raise awareness of your agency to both candidates and clients so again it is still a valuable source.
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#11 Posted : 05 August 2005 16:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Louis Cooper It appears that many are in agreement with my original posting - thanks for your comments. I think it is for IOSH to worry about how they monitor and regulate agencies etc. and the problem will be the same whether things remain as they are or another forum is created. I personally couldn't give a monkeys how it is regulated so long as the forum is easier to use. My original point was whether we need separate forums and I think the feedback is in favour of that idea. SO COME ON IOSH!!!!!! SORT IT OUT!!
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#12 Posted : 07 August 2005 17:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Martyn Hendrie Without wishing to step into a lions den I do not agree that there is no difference between an agency and a consultancy posting. In the case of the agency they are payed a fee to find suitable candidates for someone else to employ. As such they are using the forum to gain commercial advantage. In the case of a consultancy looking to employ (either on the books or freelance) they are not receiving a finders fee and will be responsible for paying (by whichever means) successful candidates. In these circumstances they are no different to any other employer.
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#13 Posted : 07 August 2005 21:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stuart Nagle I agree. Perhaps IOSH could consider two boards rolled into one: One for those seeking work, and One for those wishing to hire, where CV's could be posted and available only to employers (with an access code perhaps for a small fee to IOSH..... that should raise some interest from IOSH...) A lot of other sites have similar CV logging for members as well as job hosting sites, so it's not impossible to do and would be a sensible alternative to the current hodgepodge of postings... Stuart
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#14 Posted : 08 August 2005 18:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Angela Wheatcroft Thank you all for your suggestions. There are some good ones here and the thread raises some important issues re the differing needs of consultants, recruiters and candidates. As appreciated, changing the discussion forums will have financial implications, so any prospective change needs to be reviewed in line with other major changes already planned for the website in the next 12 months. You know we're aware of the issues and will now take it to the appropriate people for research and decision. Best regards, Angela Web Manager
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#15 Posted : 11 August 2005 11:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Diane Thomason Can I just add that there seems to be 3 categories of use of this forum: looking for work, jobs offered, and seeking advice on career progression. Agree with others that looking for work and jobs offered should be separated.
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