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#1 Posted : 15 February 2006 10:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steven Cottrell I am currently working in Sudan and I am looking for information regarding H&S positions in other hostile environments throughout the world. I am NEBOSH construction qualified and hold a CSCS card and with a few other qualifications such as First Aid instructor and assessor of noise and vibration. I am also a manual handling instructor and an NVQ assessor.
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#2 Posted : 15 February 2006 15:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By AMJAD AL ATA Hi Steven, I do not think that Sudan is a hostile envirnment (i mean in general), if you looking for real hostile environment check companies working in Iraq, (check the link): http://kbrcareers.webrec...AE85458DE0440003BA74E87F I am interested to work in Sudan (now i am doing NEBOSH Cert. next march exam + 6 years experience in HS field) if you have any information it will be appreciated. Regards Amjad
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#3 Posted : 16 February 2006 15:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richie I followed Amjad's link, eventually finding Halliburton Iraq / Afghanistan vacancies. There are no package details such as in-theatre durations and salaries. I hate to pass my details to organisations without an idea of the package, as I am almost certainly wasting their or my own time. Has anyone experience of working in such hostile environments, including the likely package? I am used to this type of work as a soldier (Most recently On Op Telic 1 (Gulf War 2)), therefore I have a better clue than most of what I might be getting myself into... I have to say it would take 'film star wages' to get me back to Iraq. Ta in advance, Richie
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#4 Posted : 16 February 2006 17:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Descarte http://www.oilcareers.co...advert.asp?jobadid=17098 Depends what area you are interested in I guess
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#5 Posted : 16 February 2006 21:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By phil Descartes would probably be able to enlighten us... I saw the site too, the job requires one to fill the online form, why would that be. shouldn't there be a contact person to send to.
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#6 Posted : 17 February 2006 09:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Descarte I would just either go to the recruiters website (LA recruitment as advertised on page) or email them durect instead of going through the website. The website is just a front for many agency's to post jobs in the oil industry. You dont have to register at the Oil careers website. Email: mhairi@larecruitment.co.uk Website larecruitement.co.uk This however just ask you to email in this case jacquie@larecruitment.co.uk With subject Vacancy ID:2704 (Senior Enviromental Engineer ) Maybe I should start my own consultancy finding people H+S jobs
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#7 Posted : 17 February 2006 10:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steven Cottrell Thanks for the replys, I have tried the Hallibron site and started to register, but found a lot of the questions and terms very "americanised" if there is such a term! Also as mentioned there is nothing about contracts, pay etc! I will continue looking. But once again thanks for the help
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#8 Posted : 17 February 2006 14:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jez Corfield Hi Folks I was a significant way towards maybe getting a job with KBR, about a year ago, the job looked great but for various reasons I couldnt go down thisroute, namely that I would need to be based in the south east (I cant afford this). Dont expect film star wages though, the up-lift for doing a job in Iraq, Afghanistan, Kosovo and any other deployed locations was 60% on the UK rate. Do the sums yourself, 60% on a normal safety managers wage might take it to £55-70k, if you were there all the time, but frequently the pattern is to rotate, so that you get time working in UK also, but for the UK working dont expect uplift. KBR looked a good employer though and the job would no doubt be very interesting. Good luck though... Jez
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#9 Posted : 17 February 2006 14:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Descarte Dont forget though if you get a job based overseas there are the tax benifits
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#10 Posted : 18 February 2006 21:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richie A bit topical this thread... Just heard of the nine captives (one of whom is British) taken from an installation in Nigeria. All Shell workers captured from a vessel, if media reports are accurate. What price a life? In this case 1/9th of a million, the ransom being 1 million for the release of all. My thoughts and hopes for a positive outcome are with the captives and their families. Richie.
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#11 Posted : 20 February 2006 11:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Descarte There have been "many" such captures in this and PH area over the past few months, we have some guys still working out there. They were not Shell employees this time but construction contractors. Shell have "settled" with these rebels before on releasing hostages who have been quite well cattered for during this time, but Shell and the Nigerian government have both never admitted to paying ransoms or bribes, though this is what I suspect. As such, this will probably continue as a source of revenue for such militia groups. Strange how they are campaining for distibution of wealth from the oil in the area as most people their are living in poverty, but the money they received from such kidnappings probably went on a new landrover and missile launcher instead of going to the local people.
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#12 Posted : 20 February 2006 12:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richie Am I correct in assuming there may be a better chance of aquiring Oil / Gas safety experience in the current climate? Variables unknown to me are: Are the risks about the same as they have always been, the difference being that the media coverage has improved somewhat since 9/11 and 7/7? OR: Has the risk of being taken/ shot/ bombed actually increased? That said, it seems most safety post holders are ex-process engineers anyway, so the question is academic... Richie
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#13 Posted : 20 February 2006 13:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tony Gibbs CMIOSH Hi all, i was reading the thread with great interest, and saw that it is a dissapointment to some, that the companies do not publish pay or conditions. As those that have, and do work, in sometimes hostile environments, are aware, companies do not publish pay or conditions for obvious reasons. If they did they would be inundated with applications from people that want to take advantage of the "sometimes" inflated wages, and seemingly wonderous conditions. Having worked overseas for different companies over the past 25 years i have experienced such a wide difference in both pay and conditions. My first adventure into the middle east was for a major aeronautical corporation with low pay but amazing facilities, even down to the water skiing at the weekends. Good it may sound, but it was easy to spend what we earned very quickly!(And no pension). After a few more excursions overseas intermingled with UK work i find myself in what some may deem a "hostile environment". Working in Algeria on the edge of the Sahara desert with as few amenities as is possible. And the question arises what happens if you dont like it after the companies have paid your air fair, sponsorship, and anything else to facilitate your uplift! You cant just say i'm off! And yes i have seen it happen, and the problems that have arisen trying to get someone home as soon as possible! And then trying to get in touch with the next person down the list! Expats are a somewhat different kind of person, able to switch off home and concentrate on the job, and not think about who's mowing the lawn!! Most jobs are advertised for experienced people, and yes i came up the engineering route, and am now HSE manager for a large french company, which was by word of mouth and purely by being available at the right time, and in the right place. How to break in to the market is exactly by the route's most of us out here did ourselves, working in the right industries. So if your forte' is in supermarkets, whilst very worthwhile in UK and Europe, its not what the recruiters are looking for. So to work an LNG or Gas or Oil you have to have experience in the right fields.And the only place to start is at home. Good luck in your quests for the "Holy Grail". (Just read that book)! And nothing left to read till April! Tony
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#14 Posted : 20 February 2006 17:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steven Cottrell Algeria sounds a little better than Sudan at the moment! i will try some of the reccomendations, thanks.
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