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Posted By ITK
seeing as my earlier post was removed by the moderators (thank you)for posting a link (to SHP jobs page) !!!
I will ask fellow forum users what we think of CMIOSH required being adevertised at £18K.
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Posted By Hilary Charlton
I don't think they'll get many takers - you don't do all that work to get qualified then a further two years continuous improvement to get Chartered so that you can earn £18K - I don't think so!!!
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Posted By gham
Is that a 6 month contract... they never mentioned
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Posted By Paul Adams
It's very poor.
Having said that, I am sure someone will be qualified and looking for a foot in the door, get it on their CV and move on.
On another note, if advertising was stopped to safeguard SHP advertising revenue, what is the harm in posting a link to a job that is advertised through SHP? We, the institution, have gained the revenue for this advert.
I don't see an issue regarding the pay offered as SHP don't set pay rates, employers do. If the employer can't attract someone, they will have to re assess, but at the end of the day, we are all worth the deal we accept. Some will look down their nose and say don't be silly, but someone might see it as their golden opportunity. (The ad does say CMIOSH preffered!)
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Posted By Descarte
I would be willing to bet the employer or person making the advert does not even know what CMIOSH is.
Most think it is a qualification, not a professional membership of a institution
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Posted By Steve Butler
Employers are often ignorant to what CMIOSH IOSH IIRSM actually means so i wouldn't read too much into it. CMIOSH at £18k is though a little bizarre!!
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Posted By arthur_mo
My first full-time role in health and safety had a salary of £17K, and yes I had a Diploma and was a full member of IOSH.
I think some people would be surprised at the salaries many people get paid.
I stayed at the company 3 years, got a lot of experience, very little pay rise, and moved on.
I now get paid quite a bit more - I'm sure there are many CMIOSH members who don't get paid 30K, 40K or more.
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Posted By GJB
ITK,
Should you be flaunting the name of a well-known magazine? SH*??
It could be construed as advertising after all?!!!
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Posted By ITK
Indeed....as the link was to SHP jobs and this is the whole reason we "paying" members could not post jobs on this site I find it a trifle bizzarre the link was removed.
Would the moderator who removed it care to explain the rationale behind removing it?
As for the £18K CMIOSH job it just goes to show we have a lot of work to do to educate employers.
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Posted By GJB
ITK, I have sent an e.mail to the same effect, but I don't expect a response.
The decision of the MOD is final, AUG No. 38, section 10, sub-section 6 verse 3.
And upset them at your peril!
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Posted By Tony W
The message I got from the moderator was....
"The above thread has been removed from the forum as it is, in a roundabout way, advertising a job".
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Posted By James Little
Evan as Tech IOSH I would not consider applying unless they stuck another 6K on top.
Oh well it's Friday, nearly time to go home fire up my PC & crack on with my unit B assignment, otherwise such high flying jobs will never be within my reach.
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Posted By ITK
"The above thread has been removed from the forum as it is, in a roundabout way, advertising a job".
Nonsense, it was asking fellow IOSHers what we thought of CMIOSH posts being advertised at £18K.
The link to SHP was so others could read it for themselves.
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Posted By gham
i think the real reason was the bickering.......... again
I don't do it for the money i dot for the gooey feeling i get knowing i made a difference today
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Posted By JM82
Welcome to my world!
I constantly have Employers coming to me asking for a Chartered Engineer, CMIOSH and a minimum of 10 years experience... for £28k!?!?
Tut
JM
P.S. Hello GJB!! ;0)
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Posted By mark limon
To get CMIOSH status is it necessary to show a number of years experience.
As a mere techIOSH member I had to prove at least 5 years experience(not full time) .
To almost quote a model from the past,
"I wouldn't get out of bed for that"
If I ever achieve CMIOSH status it will be because of hard work in my own time and I will have the experience to back it up.Im a supervisor on a top tier comah site.The salary offered is well under half what I earn now so it does seem a very meagre offering
If I was a young inexperienced person I would bite the bullet and go for it.I would look on it as paid training while gathering experience to go for the higher paid positions available where more experience is necessary
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Posted By arthur_mo
Mark,
I would suggest that your current salary of nearly £40K? is not due to your Tech IOSH, it's because you are a production Supervisor.
I think you may be overestimating the salaries of full-time health and safety positions.
I would say that production based positions are generally higher salaries than health and safety positions.
I worked at a company where one of the production Supervisors became interested in health and safety, completed the Nebosh Certificate and then started looking for full-time safety positions - he couldn't believe that he would have to take such a pay cut to get a full-time position.
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Posted By richie_steve
It would be interesting to know whether there have been many people who have made the transition from Production Supervisory / Management positions into full-time Health and Safety Management positions - and got a salary increase.
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Posted By mark limon
Arthur re-read my post.At no time did I suggest my salary was anything to do with anything other than my Supervisors position.
I stand by mY comment regardless of my salary that 18k is a bit meagre.I dont think Im worth over twice as much.I have also looked at shp adverts and compared to most of them it is very low.
The safety advisors positions on my site are from 24k to 35k and a General Cert is acceptable(without techIOSH status)
How you could glean what my opinions on salarys in general are from my post mystifies me.
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Posted By M Darcy
In my humble opinion and it is only my opinion, any employer who is looking for an experienced and qualified member of IOSH is in no way serious about H/S if they believe that is what the job is worth.
M
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Posted By Geoff Parkinson
I'm not CMIOSH - in fact I haven't formally joined IOSH yet but earn a very good salary. I do, however, hold an MSc, MIIRSM, FICDDS, along with lots of H&S and fire safety experience. My present company has never heard of CMIOSH, and many adverts I have seen now ask for it 'or equivalent'. Thay have no idea of what the equivalent is!!!
I think experience, opportunity and location are the three primary drivers to picking up a good job.
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Posted By David Bannister
Geoff, you should be correct although when a largish organisation draws up a person spec that says CMIOSH required then CV's without this get binned by the HR dept when they are opened! That's the way it is!
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