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#1 Posted : 03 May 2007 14:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By craig davies All, I have just landed a good in the prison service and H+S manager and am quite nervous. I currently work in low risk retail and finance organisation similar to Argos. Could anybody give me advise on how a prison based risk assessments may differ from standard RA, if at all. Plus any info on procedures, training, key considerations etc would be useful just to focus my mind when i start. Its not that I'm incompetent or anything but sometimes other people now more than i and i am humble enough to seek advice from esteemed colleagues. Regards to all and 4-weeks countdown starts on Monday.
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#2 Posted : 03 May 2007 14:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Descarte I worked for a while for a major police constabulary which all have their own incorporated prison holding cells in the custody areas and would be happy to discuss my experiences of this with you if you can contact me via email
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#3 Posted : 03 May 2007 14:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By AHS Craig My condolences the main issue will revolve around staffing levels and continual training. Make sure you are brutally honest with the management regarding any failings and put everything in writing to cover yourself as inmates regularly assault one another, members of staff,take illegal drugs and commit suicide. This is a political hot potato at the moment so dont get roasted.
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#4 Posted : 03 May 2007 16:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Amanda Craig Having been part of H&S within the custodial sector I would give the following advice. Risk assessments do not differ from those in the 'outside'. You need to follow the same steps to identify the hazards and quantify the risk to those exposed. A prisoner is not considered a 'worker' or employee' irrespective if they are 'working' as in a training prison environment, however they have full protection of Section 3. You have two 'workforces' the Prison Officers and the Prisoners, you then have the contractors and visitors etc to consider. Use the same type of approach as you have done in your current position and involve the staff. You will find the PSO (Prison Service Order) is specific in what is required to meet the Standards for H&S, Fire etc. If you are able to ask for copies of these Standards before you start so you can see what the Standards Audit Unit will be auditing you on. Good luck, I wish you every success in your new post.
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#5 Posted : 09 May 2007 16:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim Amanda has good advice. I worked for Group Four some years ago and did all the risk assessments for the court cells in Merseyside and North Wales. I used exactly the same procedure as per HSE 5 steps and kept it as simple as possible. You will need to consider locking people in while also ensuring evacuation in an emergency-not easy! See the HSE website "Myth of the month" covering risk assessments. Good luck, you will be busy but time will fly!
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#6 Posted : 09 May 2007 16:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Christopher Hi Craig, I have been involved both with the police and the prison service. The best advice I can give you is to make contact with other Health and Safety specialists in prisons. They can provide you with the most up to date requirements for the prison service, standards etc. They usually have a library of risk assessments for these areas which you can tap into. There will almost certainly be a networking group which you would be advised to join. From my experience there is always a more experienced health and safety specialist only too willing to support you until you find your feet. Don't forget that prisons have a great many contractors, eg primary care provide the health care provision. All the best.
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#7 Posted : 10 May 2007 09:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Descarte I believe the home office may also have a group set of generic risk assessments for certain standard procedures and activities.
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#8 Posted : 10 May 2007 10:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Clare Gabriel Suggest you contact : HSE Enforcement Policy Unit Cross Cutting Interventions Division PG Priestley House, Priestley Rd, Basingstoke, Hants RG24 9NW Phone 502 4091/01256 404091 Fax 502 4100/01256 404100 This is the division of the HSE on what was the old Crown Fire and Police NIG that had the enforcement responsibility for the Prisons. they may be able to give you plenty of pointers. I also suggest you also touch base with the Prison Area Safety Advisor to discuss issues, existing policies and process, and some familiarisation visits/training. The latter is very important, as you have to have hostage and breakaway training, so you know what to do if you are kidnapped by an unstable inmate!These would all need to be covered by risk assessments. also surely your colleagues in other prisons will be happy to share their material - is there not an intranet for such information?
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#9 Posted : 17 May 2007 10:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Philby' AHS.... I like it, condolences indeed, presumably you are still 'inside' or have escaped, hats off to you...I escaped 18 months ago and am currently on the run in a LA, same politics, less hierarchy. Philby'
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