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Posted By Andrew Knowland
Hello everyone,
I firstly apologise to everyone for the length of this mail, but i need to get the correct information to be able to make the right career decision.
I am looking for your experienced advice, as i would like to have a more in depth involvement in Health & safety because it is time after 10 years + for me to leave my current employment.
In the job i am currently employed as an Export manager for deep sea & air shipments and also responsible for the H&S of the company (I was also introduced to H&S in a previous job, hence where the interest first arose)which i thoroughly enjoy.
I have a competent knowledge in general H&S including Risk assessments and Fire Risk assessments / manual handling and providing documentation, etc over the last ten years or so, but i do not have any formal qualifications to back me up, only my experience through working and dealing with it daily on site (Three warehouses / Vehicle movement / Forklifts / Staff, etc)
I do understand that by not having the correct qualification(s) i would have missed various important pieces of information necessary to carry out any H&S 100% so obviously cannot claim to be of expert knowledge but most certainly competent.
Majority of my information has been taken from sites likes this for example and applied at work to the best of my ability, but enough to get us through an on site visit and a well done from the inspector from the local council H&S after an accident (involved a staff member falling from a height)
My main question is what course would be right for me to gain a noted qualification in H&S in the work place.
Would this be a NEBOSH or an IOSH certificate? If so which one would be best and why? as I hope that my years of on site experience(s) do not mean that i would have to gain a school leavers qualification for example.
I am not 100% sure where to base my career, but would probably like to work in areas of advising companies of their H&S obligations and improving their existing H&S.
I would appreciate any information you could advise for me.
Kind regards
A Knowland
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Posted By CFT
Andrew
Just to clear something up for you; IOSH is the 'Institution' one enjoys membership of at varying levels and as such a qualification provided by nebosh/BSC/Uni etc would eventually enable you to have membership of same.
Whilst IOSH offer a range of excellent courses, in your situation I would personally advocate you look at nebosh or similar for a level 3 qualification which would either be a general cert or Construction (depends what you want t eventually do) then consider either the NVQ level 4, the nebosh diploma [both same level formal qualification] (no comparison to Nebosh cert though) or Portsmouth or similar for a uni based qualification, and continue to gain experience whilst undertaking further qualifications.
It is difficult to say what may be best in the longer term as only you know what you really want to do so I have restricted my response to very basic information that hopefully might give you some further thoughts on the subject.
I am a Nebosh fan so I am biased; do visit their website and don't hesitate to contact them for further information. Do shop around though on providers, the cost can vary depending on subsidies offered.
Good luck in your quest.
CFT
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Posted By Gina Browse
I can recommend West Anglia Training Association (WATA) as a NEBOSH course provider. They are outstanding, especially Martin Wells!
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Posted By Simon Zeigler
a level 3 qualification is the best place to start, has to be the NEBOSH, it carries a bit more weight. after that you could consider the Nebosh diploma, however my own route was NEBOSH gen cert, his allowed me to go straight to an MSc/Pg Dip, this was a years course to get the Pg Dip, many consider the post grad diploma to be far superior to the pre degree diploma, after the Pg Dip you write your dissertation to get your masters, now you are talking serious qualifications. You are right in thinking that you need to back up your experience with formal qualifications, most employers now ask for them and the trend is likely to continue.
Simon
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Posted By Brigham
Just to muddy the waters a bit here. You should look into the NVQ route as your experience should count towards your portfolio of evidence. It's often cheaper as well and you won't fall foul of the famous "NEBOSH" questions.
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Posted By CFT
Andrew
As by your own admission 'I have no formal qualifications' I personally would prefer to see you take as a minimum, a level three Nebosh or other qualification first.
As I then went on to say, you could at that stage consider the NVQ route after you have gained level three; I say this as a recommendation as you may find that you have developed a style of managing which is of course competent as you suggest but 'by the book' on many areas would tie the two areas up extremely well.
Just thoughts, as I don't know you, and to make an accurate call would require that time is spent with you first to be certain the best has been had from qualifications currently available to support the level of experience and knowledge that you already possess.
All the best
CFT
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Posted By Chris Mac
What level does an IOSH accredited degree stand up against compared to NEBOSH qualifications
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Posted By Hazel Harvey
Chris,
IOSH accredit both Masters and Bachelors degrees in health and safety. A NEBOSH Diploma at level 6 is at Bachelors level but is a shorter programme than the degree which is normally a 3 year programme. The Masters degrees are postgraduate and a NEBOSH Diploma will normally give entry to these programmes.
Hazel Harvey
Director of Professional Affairs
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Posted By Chris Mac
Thanks for that,
I have a BSc myself and was just wondering what a comparable non degree qualification was, so thanks.
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Posted By Andrew Knowland
Many thanks to you all for your information from my question.
The only thing i have to work out now is how to go about finding a cost effective enough Nebosh General Certificate course that enables me to complete it quickly.
I live in Bournemouth (really don't want to leave either) and have about £1400.00 (inc vat) to do this with and believe it possible, but the more i look the more expensive it seems to become, why is this?
Is one place really better than another? Or is it just simply down to certain companies charging more for the same qualification, thus making them seem the better choice because they are more expensive? The most expensive came to about £1800.00 + WOW
Also is it just me or are the majority of jobs that would be in my proposed chosen field mainly London going up country only?
There just doesnt seem the amount of job opportunities down this way. Or am i becoming blind after looking so much?
Again thank you in advance for any light shed and help given in these questions within questions.......
Regards
Andy
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Posted By Andrew Knowland
I would just to like to try and take this one step further.
How do you think (without knowing me)would i fair in trying to gain employment (hopefully around the Bournemouth area)in my sort of chosen field.
(This field being one that checks (checks for want of a better word) on businesses and provides necessary advice /training on their existing H&S affairs and what they can do to improve this)
Whilst in this employment gaining day release, etc to be able to acheive the Nebosh qualification(s), etc. I could provide a copy my CV so far to see what kind of chance i would have, if this would help any body with advice.
Is this just a dream? or is it possible? as it seems to me that there are so many businesses out there with either very little or no H&S at all.
Regards
Andy
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Posted By CFT
Almost impossible to answer Andrew; if you feel competent enough to undertake such an activity and have all the necessary insurance in place to protect you and your clients then I suppose you could give it a go. Be warned though it is indeed a fairly competitive market.
Good luck though.
CFT
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Posted By Philip Roberts
Andrew,
Bournemouth and Poole College do a 13 week day release Nebosh General certificate course for £1200, just google for more information,
best regards
Phil
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Posted By TomP
Just to add my tuppence..
Membership of IOSH and H&S qualifications are very different things.
Membership of IOSH requires a level of experience and CPD along with qualifications, so is an assurance of competence (or as close as you can get).
Remember the definition of competence is experience and qualifications. I would class myself as competent in my field but would be totally scuppered in a chemical manufacturing plant. No experience see?
You will find your prospective clients know little about the qualifications required and if you can blag, you can get away with anything. I have met any number of non chartered advisers working in industry, many of them very competent, but if you want to be sure you can hold the gold standard and be more competitive at the interview / tender than the guy with no pieces of paper, get the appropriate qualifications, then the experience and aim for CMIOSH.
As for the debate about NEBOSH / NVQ…… Does it matter? If you don’t know the subject area you will soon be found out…CMIOSH or not. NEBOSH means you perhaps haven’t implemented H&S and the NVQ means perhaps your technical knowledge is weak. Neither is better or worse…..IMHO
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Posted By Andrew Knowland
Thank you to all who have given me the feedback to my questions, i appreciate it.
Best regards
Andy
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Posted By VJM
Andy,
Someone in my organisation is looking at doing NEBOSH through a local college. Don't know if there is one out your way that does NEBOSH, but apparently they will only be charging £800, as opposed to the £2000 I got stung to do mine.
Hope that helps.
Vanessa
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Posted By John Watson
Andrew
Good luck with your course when you do it. The absolutely key question to ask any course provider (College, Consultancy etc) offering NEBOSH is what is your FIRST TIME pass rate, how many in percentage terms of your students get credits or better? There are some with poor pass first time rates, so you need to check. You could also ask for the tutorial teams experience, ask for cvs etc. Any company or college that wont provide this when asked I would suggest you avoid.
Regards
John
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Posted By Simon Zeigler
I did my NEBOSH a couple of years ago at Bridgend college, cost me £325. shop around.
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Posted By Andrew Knowland
Thanks for all the advice. It's nice to know that for someone like me venturing into this somewhat confusing world, that there is good advice to being dealt.
Here's hoping for a good price and eventual good exam result, cheers....
Best regards
Andy
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Posted By Andrew Knowland
Right then final question, as i may be boring you all now.
Whilst looking into a self funded NEBOSH general certificate, i have come across the British Safety Council.
I have spoken to them and they said that they provide the equivalent certificate of NEBOSH known i believe as level 3 ?
I do not doubt them for one moment and after looking further into their web site information see that they offer plenty of professional courses known worldwide, which interests me.
This now unfortunately makes me even more confused in which way to turn. Who (providing this is an appropriate question to ask here) holds the stronger certificate? A NEBOSH general certificate or the British Safety Council Level 3 certificate?
Thank you
Andy
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Posted By CFT
Andrew
They are both good and qualitatively speaking I suspect there is little to separate them, having so said how many job vacancies ask for the BSC qualification over and above the Nebosh one?
If you decided in the future to take the Nebosh diploma then the techniques you will have gained taking a Nebosh Cert will aid you, although one must not think that the diploma is of a similar knowledge level as the Cert, for it is not. Having completed a diploma via open assessment I can assure you it is indeed a huge step upwards from the Cert, as it should quite rightly be.
Just a thought for you to consider perhaps.
CFT
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Posted By thesoutherner007
Andrew,
I was just reading into getting an IOSH membership when I came across your post on the the Forum.
I am currantly living in Bournemouth....just relocated from working abroad for the past year or so. I was doing health and safety risk assessments and fire safety audits on hotels,villas and apartments for British tour operators.
I am reletively new to health and safety, but like you really enjoy it and want to pursue it further.
I enquired about a number of courses in the region and found the perfect one at bournemouth college, but unfortunately it is full. I have enroled on a 11 week course at southampton college starting in march...its a one day a week release and it costs £1200.
I am looking at getting into the same line of work as you. There is definately a niche in the market when it comes to health and safety guidance and improvement of safety in the workplace still and many industries like the one I am currantly in do not do hardly any safety work.
I hope my advice has been helpful and if you want names and contact details of the course I can give you them mate.
Take care
Simon
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Posted By Andrew Knowland
Hi Simon
Thanks for your post. I have looked at the Southampton College site but could not find any details for some reason? perhaps they are now full. I would however appreciate any details you may have about the course. Please pm me when you are able too, as i am still struggling with who to go with at the best cost effective amount near my area.
I think i may find that it would be more difficult to do the day release as oppsosed to completing the two block courses (through use of holidays)and having it done and dusted where my current job is still involved.
Regards
Andy
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