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#1 Posted : 15 March 2008 13:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By AM Hi, I know this has been discussed at lengths before but can anyone please confirm whether or not the Diploma (Level 6) is recognised at a Degree level is Australia?
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#2 Posted : 15 March 2008 15:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stuart Hey I would also be interested in this if anyone could advise on the question. Sorry to jump in on your question AM. Stuart
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#3 Posted : 15 March 2008 16:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By AM no problem
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#4 Posted : 17 March 2008 09:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Harrison Hi You may want to check the following link which appears to give a definitive answer. http://www.iosh.co.uk/in...iew&forum=2&thread=28954 I can tell you that a PgDip in OHS is not good enough for vetassess, whereas the MSc is. Unfortunately Vetassess purley look at academic quals and not vocational ones, hence the BSc (hons) OHS would be OK, but not NEBOSH!!! Crazy I know. Paul
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#5 Posted : 18 March 2008 12:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By jason preston I can confirm that the level 6 is not recognised as I had a negative reply from vetassess. I am now studying for a degree in origami so I can get a positive assessment.
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#6 Posted : 18 March 2008 13:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By AM Does anyone know if the NEBOSH Certificate or Diploma (Level 6) will be recognised by VETASSESS to qualify for 40 points as a Safety Inspector?
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#7 Posted : 19 March 2008 08:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By jason preston I can confirm that NO it doesn't even pass as a 40 point occupation. Basically NEBOSH is NOT recognised at all by Vetassess!
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#8 Posted : 19 March 2008 11:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By anon1234 Why should Australia accept other qualifications than those it lists? NEBOSH is not particualrly brilliant in my opinion anyway and I'd always consider someone with a degree or post graduate qualification ahead of those with NEBOSH or vocational qualifications all other things being equal. Also, although I may have the wrong perception - the NEBOSH qualification is too focussed on UK legislation and therefore is not entirely relevant to Australia (although clearly certain bits would transfer)
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#9 Posted : 20 March 2008 12:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By jason preston ANON i can't see your reasoning? Most people in the UK with the NEBOSH Diploma are safety professionals and have been for many years, whereas people with safety degrees are likely to be fresh from University with no experience. I think Australia have it majorly wrong and it isn't a question of 'the list' as you put it. How does me having a degree in French make me suitable for a 50 point occupation as a safety officer? That is lunacy.
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#10 Posted : 20 March 2008 16:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Youel Having a numbers of mates [Brits, Scots etc] currently working in the off-shore game near and around Perth it was shown at an early stage that children holding degrees/MS-C's via university were still children However it looks like the academic brigade are getting a hold in aussie as they have here; irrespective of the real world I am fully in favour of obtaining higher level academic qualifications as I and many many others in the profession have however! --- I will leave it there as most academics usually never seem to grasp the key issues
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#11 Posted : 20 March 2008 16:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By anon1234 Jason, I would respectfully suggest that if your only qualification was a degree in French then you would not stand a cat in hells chance of getting a safety position in Australia. This is quite simply a debate where people are moaning because they don't satisfy the criteria for working in Australia. From experience I can tell you that many of the arrangements (but not necessarily all) for managing health and safety issues (especially occupational health) are far superior in Australia compared to the norm in this country.
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#12 Posted : 20 March 2008 16:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By anon1234 Bob, you seem to be implying that those with university qualifications are somehow inferior in health and safety terms to those who have come through the NEBOSH route who are seasoned H&S professionals. I don't think you can make such generalisations in either direction - for example it could be argued the other way if you take the many examples of those leaving the forces and using their 'demob training money' to fund H&S course whilst never having had experience of managing health and safety and then expecting to get managers jobs because they had a 'management' role in the forces. Obviously this does not take account of those with the experience. Anyone worth their salt would look at both qualifications and experience before employing someone.
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#13 Posted : 20 March 2008 16:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By anon1234 My previous message equally applied to the posting by Jason, i think.
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#14 Posted : 25 March 2008 08:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By jason preston Anon, You have totally missed the point. What I am saying is vetassess don't marry qualifications with jobs and that is ludicrous. I am a safety consultant with a wealth of experience and I work for a massive engineering company, but this makes no difference to vetassess because I don't have a degree only degree equivalent. I have been told by many agencies in Oz that I could get work easily but because I can't get recognised by Vetassess I can't get a suitable visa. Maybe you might understand my point now Anon?
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#15 Posted : 25 March 2008 11:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By anon1234 Jason, I perfectly understood your point - which is why I pointed out that in my view this is a question about not being able to satisfy the Australian requirements for a work visa (note: similar arrangement to be introduced in UK soon). My other point was, that just because you satisfy the requirements for a work visa - it doesn't automatically follow that you would get a job, that is where your CV and all relevant qualifications come into play. Also, you'd need to be familiar witht he relvant state/territory H&S legislation and the appropriate workcover schemes (which most people in H&S in the UK would be totally unfamilair with as this is usually an HR/other department function.
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