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Posted By Anthony1
Hi, I have been offered a chance to work in Kuwait as a Safety Manager. If there is anyone who lives out there or has lived out there, I would be interested to know; The company are offering £35K to £50 + car/living allowance+ flights. Is this a reasonable amount to earn and live off. I will be taking my wife and two kids.
What is the standard of living like? Would there be any problems with families out there? Is schooling good/expensive? Generally what are the good and bads aspects of live in Kuwait.
I would appreciate any response - Thanks
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Posted By Pgildernew7
Hi Anthony,
I am currently working as Safety Manager for consultants in Qatar. Its not vastly different to Kuwait. I would be asking for more money, I definitely would not be doing it for 35K, you be expecting 50 or more. It will probably be 6 day week over 40 hours.
Do thorough research into it as recently spoke to guy whos working for contractor and he`s having a tough time and they have left him with no support inside the organisation.
The school places are limited and fees in the middle east are high so you would want that to be covered by company.
Apart from that it will be a bit of culture shock and there are number of restrictions on life, but if you can get right package go for it.
It would be better to go out by yourdelf and get settled first before bringing wife and children out, it may be better for them to finish school year in uk
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Posted By Anthony1
Pgildernew7 - thanks for your reply
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Posted By A tech SP
I have been to Kuwait a few times it is a fantastic place and the standard of living is high, though it isnt for the labour from places like Egypt.
The last post hit the nail on the head, your housing and schooling is expensive, if you want your kids to have a decent education you will have to get them in at the American or English school, contact them now to see how much.
It is a Muslim country so you live by their rules, when you get caught with a bottle of vodka in your hand luggage it gets taken off you! If you go to the cinema you will have to sit in the married section if your with your wife, single male section if your on your own, the list goes on but its nothing too heavy.
The locals drive like lunatics! You will need a car, don't expect to use public transport.
Totally agree with going out there on your own to get your feet and find where everything is.
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Posted By Jay Joshi
Many parts of the world are at different stages of development and maturity in context of "regulations, rules, norms, codes of practice etc". Add to this difference in culture, and you will not get what is the "norm" in "developed western" countries in the developing world.
However, to judge them as lunatics is questionable and perhaps this type of stereotyping is one of the main reasons for some of the the anti-western sentiments felt in some parts of the world. No amount of economic wealth and prosperity is likely overcome the short period in which some of these developing countries have had to adapt to "western" norms and also bring about a change in behaviour in a relatively short period of time.
By all means highlight the hazards of driving, but to tarnish a section of a society as lunatics is questionable in a professional forum
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Posted By A tech SP
I am a simple safety advisor, who has lived, driven and tried to cross the road in Kuwait. If you wish to think there is some offence in the aforementioned statement that is obviously for you, every Kuwaiti I know would agree with me.
The tread was about 'what is it like to live in Kuwait', if you would rather me say, the Kuwaiti's appear to like their large engined American cars, drive them as fast as they will go, don't care much for red traffic signals, parallel park 14 times over and as of some years ago had the highest mortality rate on the roads in the middle east instead of saying they drive like lunatics, take it as done.
I think its a little pedantic.
As its Friday, one of the better road safety campaigns used in Kuwait was the rather catchy slogan of 'don't use your baby as an airbag'.
This being in relation to the number of accidents occurring whilst the driver had their child on their laps.
Keep to the point!
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Posted By Jay Joshi
I am neither being pedantic nor politically correct, but to tarnish implicitly the local population of an entire country by labelling them as "lunatics" is not as far as I am aware in line with the acceptable use guidelines.
Even then, I have not/am not complaining, but urging you to be mindful of the acceptable use guidelines for this "professional forum " that has an international audience, especially AUG 8 and AUG 2
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Posted By Jez Corfield
Jay - I suspect you didnt actually read what he said?
He said they DRIVE like lunatics, he didnt say the entire population was lunatics, having spent some time in Kuwait they do drive like lunatics, they also drive very badly in Greece, Paris, Italy, the Indian subcontinent etc etc.
The driving in Kuwait is some of the most reckless I have seen, however, but not unique. Advising someone to be prepared for this is not wrong.
Jez
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Posted By Jay Joshi
Perhaps the advice should then be, using the hierarchy of risk management controls, just avoid the risk and restrict yourselves to places where there is no reckless driving?
Or as a risk reduction measure, use vehicles so that injury is almost non existent--such as military type armoured vehicles?
What is reckless driving??
I see thousands of vehicles driven at specific speeds on UK motorways & roads, but not maintaining the SAFE MINIMUM DISTANCE between the two vehicles in a variety of weather conditions, and it is only a matter of luck that the vehicle in the front does not have to suddenly slow down, but I presume that would not be classified as reckless driving?
I am not comparing the Gulf states, but if you take the example of the Indian sub-continent, their governments have more pressing problems than giving significant priority to Road Safety, especially in a democratic setting, such as that exist in India. Yes, you can do it in less democratic settings such as China.
That is not to justify that improvements cannot and should not be made, but it is better to try to understand the cultural differences if you intend to work in these countries than even labelling the driving of their citizens as "lunatic".
Some interesting insight into Indian driving & road safety at:-
http://www.indiandrivingschools.com/
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Posted By IOSH Moderator
The previous messages have been hidden temporarily, to give the Moderators some time to consider the best thing to do. Unfortunately it is Friday and it seems all but one of the Mods is away.
Please be patient.
Jane
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Posted By GeoffB4
Wow it must be really serious. Uh.
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Posted By Anthony1
Thanks to the people who have posted replies. I just wish I could read them all.
Moderator
What has happened to the replies that have been posted?
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Posted By IOSH Moderator
The Moderators have been busy this week. The hidden responses will remain hidden.
Jane
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Posted By FaisalShahzad
Dear Anthony,
I am also looking for job in middle east, as you are going as manager. If you would be having any position please let me know. I am NEBOSH IGC and lead auditor for OHSAS 18001-2007.
Thanks in Advance.
Regards,
Faisal Shahzad
memon.faisal@yahoo.com
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Posted By thevadass77
35k too low ... ask more than 50k and it should be your basic salary only.Others such as accomodation, fuel / transportation and etc should not be included in your basic salary.
Be wise bro, do some research always.
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Posted By Asim Ali
Hey Bro, Simple advice dont get panic with the horrifying comments as above...
All you need is:
- Accomodation paid by co. if no then minimum allowance 500KD (Kuwaiti Dinars)
- School Fee allowance from your co. otherwise schooling is expensive here
- Car with fuel (you will get that)
- Travel Tickets
- Make sure your co. pays for you & your family visa costs as it is around 1000 KD for family with 2 kids for 2 years
- Alcohol (Drinking is illegal) not allowed
- Co. should be reputed with professional corporate culture
- Verify job security
- Get everything black & white (clear) in writing in your employment contract
- Do demand relocation allowance (atleast one salary)
Other then all mentioned above if you are getting KD 2000/ Net salary monthly..its hell amount of salary go for it...
Kuwait is not bad country to live...it has good malls...good culture but you should have good social contacts & company to spend time with...Good Luck!!!!
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