Posted By Safe System If you need some advice or help Susan drop me an email. I'm an ex recruitment consultant!

Posted By clairel Bit harsh Peter. Her post doesn't read like a 'give me a job' post so why should she display her email address? I never will again after the abusive email I received. Susan. Try another agency, apply for jobs direct etc. Maybe your CV needs tweaking or maybe you just need to keep trying. Anyway, what do Agencies know. Some ask if you've got COSHH!!! If you want to change career then do. If you don't then stick with it.

Posted By Swis I disagree with Peter. Susan do not need to show her e-mail address. If someone can offer her a help, they can drop a line on the forum to asking susan to get in touch.

Posted By John Fraser Susan could find it difficult to adjust to the Private Sector, as she has been in local authority for several years. Apart from the national stereotypes from local government from what you read in the newspapers there is a complete change in culture from working in the private sector and what is expected from a health and safety advisor / manager.i.e Commercial awareness for a start and understanding of the market place for a start. Susan should specify what type of job she is looking for and what type of industry she would like to be involved in to a couple of reputable recruitment consultants. However this could be difficult if she has no site / manufacturing experience in construction or manufacturing. In the private sector, any success will depend on what level of exposure of hazards she has been exposed to. My experience of recruitment consultants on the whole has been quite good - although I used reputable firms only. John

Posted By Swis I'm not asking consultants to put their advertise on the foum. If the approach with the following lines, they wouldn't face moderators anger. "Susan - drop me a line on my e-mail should you require some help" or "Email me - I might be able to help you." Obviously, person responding need to make sure that their address is not hidden.

Posted By Brett Day Susan Drop me a line, there are some contacts I can recommend. Regards Brett

Posted By clairel Peter, you need to work on your people skills.

Posted By clairel Ok, I wasn't going to bother going into details but.. I did not comment on whether he knows his stuff or not, thankyou. I think his first paragraph to Susan was harsh. Many people choose to hide their email address and that is not wrong. My opinion. I do think that his recent lengthy post showed a lack of people skills. People who rant on about what they've done and why they think they are better than you are not good communicators in my experience. Why pass comment on the fact that I asked for information on a previous thread? I needed the information there are then so I could not go out and buy anyhting in an instant. As it happens the consultancy I work for wouldn't pay for such an item. They pay for nothing for me. I already have the warehousiung guidance and I did in fact end up copying the relevant section of that guidance. I just wanted to know if there was specific guidance sheet on the subject that I could send someone. What's wrong with asking that? I do have filters on my email thank you. The vile email I received form someone on this forum got through it. I don't have issues with SPAM. As Peter seems to have read my other posts he should have read that I think SPAM's are a sad fact of life and should just be deleted. I dont care if you think the sun shines out of Peter's backside or not. That doesn't mean I have to. My comments are always impartial opinions. I know no one on this forum and I don't want to thankyou.

Posted By Jim Walker Claire, I enjoy your robust responses on this forum, may of which I share. Your comments about People skills - kettle, pot ??? or at least thats what I see ;-))

Posted By Jim Walker Don't you bluddy start !!! ;-)))

Posted By Swis On a serious note, recruitment consultancies do advertise a lot of fake jobs in order to keep getting the publicity. (I had a bad experience with a well known consultancy in past. You will see a lot of jobs advertised by them but no answer when you apply for them.) The reason behind this is that these recruitment consultancies pay a lump sum to reserve a section in certain publications and website for their adverts. Therefore, even if they don’t have any vacancy available, they’ll create a fake one to keep their name in highlight. The best thing would be to prioritise for jobs which are advertised directly from an employer as they would not waste their money on advertising if they don’t have vacancy. Also most of them at least acknowledge receipt your application.

Posted By Swis Adanielssafety First of all, I want to make clear that I did not made comments about all the consultancies; therefore I mentioned my bad experience with one of them. Secondly if you read my post clearly, I used the word ‘prioritise’ the ones directly from employer. Now there are several reasons with it, such as; you can communicating directly with the employers, less contacts therefore less costs involved, only essential and less interviews etc. Agency recruitment may be good for employers but that doesn’t always work better for the applicant. The reason for this is the fact that agencies find people( who don’t know that a job exists) and direct them to the job advertised, hence tough competition amongst applicants. On the other hand, the competition directly to the employer is relatively easier. On your comments that it costs money to put adverts in the publications, YES, it does but what bigger companies do is they normally have a contract with papers, magazines, websites, where they pay for a page or so for the whole year. Now the money is already paid but no vacancy and what do they do, they advertise fake vacancies making potential applicants even less confident when they don’t hear from them. And finally on personal note, I have been chasing a lot of agencies for jobs, they do give you big false hopes but nothing in reality. I’m on my sixth job now and all of them got secured by applying direct to the employer, none form agencies. Now being an employer myself, I always give a detailed feed back to direct applicants compared to referred applicants from the agencies. And there's an old saying - Truth always hurts. Swis

Posted By Adrian Newton Hello, I'm mindful that some people who read this forum may not be able to access my posting in the members forum which Swis refers to - so in the way of context the relevant sections of my posting were: The problem Sharon raises tends to only occur with advertisements placed by recruitment consultants: There is a possibility that in the time elapsed between the consultancy supplying the advertising copy and the magazine reaching you, the vacancy may have been quite legitimately filled. I then go on to say: However the advertising of non-existent vacancies by recruitment consultancies I understand to be illegal and if you ever have any suspicions or evidence that this has taken place I would be most obliged if you would contact me. Best regards, Adrian Newton Publisher, SHP

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