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#1 Posted : 16 June 2009 22:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By leighNDC
I am currently working as a general assistant for a EHS & Quality training and consultancy company. My current roles include account management, sales, facilitation and administration. General dogsbody really.

I have a real thirst for knowledge and have gained so much experience in the last 8 months working for this company and want to now study further.

I have been lucky enough to attend many of the courses that i have sold/administrated including HAZOP, Risk Assessment, internal auditor training & Working at height.

I know hope to extend my learning to hopefully allow me to become a trainer in some of the subjects we cover.

I am considering doing a degree but would be interested to hear your views on instead, doing IOSH or NEBOSH qualifications.

Regarding experience in the work place i have ran my own business in the past, working in events, catering & music industry. I have also learnt a lot by shadowing my colleagues in engineering, service & manufacturing sectors.

I am not looking for a job, i am very happy with my current employer, but just hope to maximise my options and indeed earning potential.

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

Leigh
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#2 Posted : 17 June 2009 09:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Swis
Just to clear the confusion here. IOSH does not offer any formal qualifications. SO that's out of equation.
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#3 Posted : 17 June 2009 09:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By clairel
No one can answer that ut you. You cannot compare a 3 year full time degree with IOSH or NEBOSH courses.

Though NEBOSH courses are far more recognised than IOSH courses, if that's what you want.

What do you want? A degree? More knowledge? Long term study, short term study? A goal?

A degree is very hard work and a long committment. Be sure what you want and then go for it. There's no right or wrong direction.

Personally I am just trying to decide whether to start a 7 year degree and masters course to change career (out of H&S). So I know that making these decisions ain't easy. But personally I love learning and to me doing a degree isn't a chore (just expensive!)

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#4 Posted : 18 June 2009 09:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Swis
“Though NEBOSH courses are far more recognised than IOSH courses, if that's what you want.”

It’s a very generic statement which can mean anything.
Again, as I mentioned earlier, IOSH courses are not approved by QCA so you don’t really get any ‘lifetime qualifications’. On the other hand NEBOSH courses are approved by QCA and you are certified depending the level of course.

However, in UK more people take IOSH’s working safely/Managing safely courses than any other specific H&S courses from any course provider. These are very informative and useful courses but when someone asks you whether you’ve got any qualifications, unfortunately, you can’t say ‘yes’.
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#5 Posted : 18 June 2009 10:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By clairel
That's why I asked what it was that she wanted from study.

I said that NEBOSH is more recognised because it it. Employers may ask for a NEBOSH diploma or certificate but they wont ask for IOSH certificates.

However, if she just wants to learn more then IOSH or other courses may be the way to go.

If she wants the ultimate learning experience and even better qualifications then a degree may be the way to go.

I was trying to be helpful.
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#6 Posted : 18 June 2009 10:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp
Leigh

The benefits of doing a degree is the kudos and learning curve from the course. NEBOSH is the industry 'standard' but by no means the only option.

I bypassed NEBOSH and went straight to a MSc after gaining a NVQ3 in H,S&E. I do not regret making that choice even though it was 2 years (distance learning) hard work and about £6,000 in fees. A degree will make you stand out from the pack.

Ray
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#7 Posted : 18 June 2009 10:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Fraser

Leigh

Personally I would have enrolled on the NEBOSH DIPLOMA either on a distance or part time learning capacity.NEBOSH Courses distance learning are a bit cheaper to fund. IOSH courses are decent if you want to dip your toe in the water though.

Ray,

I have to disagree with your last comment, as I have a degree and the NEBOSH Dip, and have only been recognised for potential interviews as I have completed NEBOSH Quals. Although I have the experience to back up the quals.

NEBOSH Quals ( or equivalent )are the standard stated in job advertisements, and so anybody with this is in with a good chance of an interview. I have nothing against degrees, but sometimes they appear elitist ( depending on the organisation one intends to work for ), whereas the nebosh courses / NVQs are practical in nature, so it is case of getting the diploma and having the confidence to use the information with your current or proposed employer.

NEBOSH Quals all the time for me.


John.
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#8 Posted : 18 June 2009 10:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp
John

I am not knocking NEBOSH but simply pointing out there are other means of gaining qualifications and knowledge. The poster asked about a degree course and I provided impartial advice.

I am not aware of any issues with previous, current or prospective employers with regards to not completing a NEBOSH course. The pros and cons will depend on the knowledge and experience of the individual.

A degree is held in higher esteem than any other qualification. That's just the way it is, nothing to do with elitism as far as I am concerned.

Ray
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#9 Posted : 18 June 2009 11:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jay Joshi


Refer to the IOSH document, "Setting standards in health and safety - raising performance through training and competence development" at :-

http://www.iosh.co.uk/fi...ARDS101108%20%282%29.pdf


In it the "Appendix B – is all about how the different qualification levels relate to each other" on page 13 (page 15 of the PDF)


There is no doubt that, the post graduate degree qualification is at a higher level than the NEBOSH or the BSC diplomas.

We have had several discussions regarding employers preferences, all based on anecdotal evidence, rather than any survey or reliable information from recruitment consultants
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#10 Posted : 11 July 2009 21:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By www.hsepeople.com
[reference removed] is a new website designed exclusively for people working or recruiting in the area of Health and Safety. The site is 100% Free to join and offers members the ability to exchange information and network in a way that has not been possible until now. [reference removed] combines the best features of Social Networking, Job Sites and Training resources all in one place.

Members can build a profile advertising their availability, services they offer and any company information they wish including contact details and web links. Other members can browse profiles and search using key words or location. It is easy to send a message to a member’s inbox or to leave a comment on their profile. Members can upload pictures, safety videos or even music to their profile and can easily add other friends also on the site.

It is easy to view who is online and rather than send a message or email, members can chat quickly through the sites instant messenger or using the sites forums where discussions can range from requests for information, exchanging general chit chat or talking about job leads. The forums offer freedom of speech and are not over moderated like other forums on the Net.

One of the main features of [reference removed] is the free jobs pages and RSS Jobs Feeds. The first allows any Recruiters / Companies on the site to list HSE Positions on the forums for FREE. The jobs pages are proving very popular with already over fifty agencies posting jobs in the first six weeks and many success stories starting to emerge of successfully placed candidates. The second is the RSS job feeds which are pulling jobs in from lots of other job sites all over the Web. These are broken down into categories and update as soon as jobs are listed on the relevant sites. This means that we are very confident you can find more HSE jobs on [reference removed] than any other site on the Net! The best part is it’s FREE to list, browse, search and apply for Jobs.

More ways of exchanging information is also available to any member on the site. Any member can create a blog to their own profile. If the content is relevant to other [reference removed] then that blog can be posted to the site magazine with moderator approval. Everything can be done from the control panel at the left hand side on every main page on the site.

[reference removed] is a community site and in looking for ways to fund the site, keeping the content relevant to Health and Safety and not plastering the site in banner advertising we have came up with a few ideas that may work well with your business. Firstly, the Events page, this page allows Trainers or Course providers to upload details on training events they are holding in the near future. Members of the site can then enlist for the event. [reference removed] will only charge 10% of the course cost per delegate signing up through the site. It is free to upload an event so you have nothing to lose by giving it a go.

Secondly, is the addition of a links page that will be coming very soon. This page will be broken down into three categories: Recruiters, Trainers & Consultants. Here you can place a link on a main page of [reference removed] and advertise your business to our members. As the site is new we are offering the first 25 links for only £150. If you would like to show your support for [reference removed] and promote your business to our ever growing number of members please contact Kevin@hsepeople.com



Thirdly, we will in the future be offering a product review page. This will be a great way of getting your product out into the market and visible to our members. We particularly want to hear from PPE Companies or Safety Equipment manufacturers who would like us to review their products. This service may eventually expand to course providers.

Lastly, [reference removed] is hoping to soon be able to offer a Document Library that any member will be able to add documents too. Other members will then be able to browse, search and then download any document they need. We think this will prove to be a very valuable and popular page. How many times have you been required to write a new procedure or produce a risk assessment or training presentation on a subject that you know other [reference removed] have probably covered thousands of times? No longer will you need to reinvent the wheel… Power points, Presentations, Forums, Posters, Regulations, Procedures, Formats and much more will all be able to be uploaded. This page is proving expensive to make and it would be great to hear from companies interested in sponsoring it. We are sure it will be the most popular page on the site and we could offer your company some fantastic exposure.

[reference removed] is only six weeks old but already proving hugely popular with almost 1000 members, the site has so far grown mostly on word of mouth. Only now are we starting to appear in search results and directories. I think this demonstrates how much of a hit the site is. We hope [reference removed] becomes the one place recruiters go when looking for candidates, Candidates when looking for jobs, Companies when looking for Consultants and [reference removed] when looking for information or training courses.

The site is currently receiving over 2500 hits a week and that is increasing with every new member that signs up. We are working hard to appear at the top of Search Engine Results and even though it takes time and a lot of effort we are committed to making [reference removed] a Success.

I would like to take this opportunity to invite you to create a profile on [reference removed], Advertise your company or business and have a feel round see what you think. If you see the potential in the site and wish to support it by any of the above mentioned methods then please do drop us a line. Your support will make the site a success and hopefully the one stop shop for everything HSE.

Hope to see you there.

Kevin Forbes
www.hsepeople.com
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