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#1 Posted : 06 November 2001 03:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Rod Peel When I was a young engineer working in the gas industry, I was told that aluminium equipment (particularly ladders) should not be used in Hazardous (Zoned) Areas owing to the energetic reaction on impact with rust (Thermite reaction) and a resulting source of ignition. I am trying to find any reference to this which may indicate if particular aluminium alloys are safer than others and therefore to give me some guidelines on specifying insulation cladding for hazardous areas.
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#2 Posted : 06 November 2001 13:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jay Joshi An HSE contract research report refers to :- “The thermite reaction between iron oxide and aluminium, which produces iron and aluminium oxide and is exothermic and the Impact of rusty iron with aluminium has been found to produce ignition far more frequently than impact with non-reacting pairs (Desy et al, 1975). The details of Desy et al, 1975:- Desy, D.H., Neumeier, L.A. & Risbeck, J.S. (1975) 'Methane Ignition by Frictional Impact Between Aluminium Alloys and Rusted Steel', US Bureau of Mines Report of Investigations 8005, Bureau of Mines, Washington DC. Ignition probability of flammable gases HSE Contract Research Report; no. 146/1997 H Spencer and P J Rew, WS Atkins Safety and Reliability, Woodcote Grove, Ashley Road, Epsom, Surrey KT18 5BW
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#3 Posted : 06 November 2001 17:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By peter gotch Haven't read these reports but suspect they will conclude that it takes some time for the mixture of aluminium and iron/steel to become a problem. Similar considerations apply to mixing aluminium and steel scaffold components with the potential for weakening of structural components. In practice, the norm is to use steel tubes and fittings to tie lightweight aluminium towers and this is not considered an issue for the short duration that such towers are USUALLY erected. Peter
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#4 Posted : 07 November 2001 09:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ken Taylor Not really my field but; the heat-conductive fresh air would, presumably, present a better option for the mixed scaffold tubes than the 'hazardous areas' you are considering for your use of aluminium alloys. The exothermic nature of the reaction is evidently a major consideration - and we still teach this in schools with aluminium in a more readily reactive form.
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#5 Posted : 07 November 2001 11:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Webster The problem is not related to the long term contact between iron (steel) and aluminium and its alloys. Normal electrochemical corrosion processes will be at work. These may present structural challenges - for example in a marine environment the aluminium could exhibit accelerated corrosion, but not an ignition hazard - UNLESS.... and I will come to that below. It is well known that steel tools present a sparking risk when impacting on other steelwork. Hence the use of non-ferrous impact tools in hazardous areas. As Jay points out, this can also happen when aluminium impacts with iron oxide - rust. In practice, aluminium has a passive outer layer of aluminium oxide, and most steelwork is coated in paint, so the chances of the right conditions being present for a reaction are slim. BUT, where there is movement between the aluminium and rusty iron, the surface of the aluminium can be exposed. If this fresh aluminium then grinds or impacts with rust with sufficient energy it could trigger the reaction and produce sparks. Most hazardous areas I have worked in used stainless steel for insulation cladding - but more from environmental/corrosion and durability considerations, and I doubt if the thermite reaction is a serious issue in this context. However, I would speak to one of the specialist insulation companies servicing the oil & gas industry, such as Salamis in Aberdeen. John
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#6 Posted : 20 February 2018 11:51:49(UTC)
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I'd like to resurrect this topic with a request for views on the current 'Standard' practice in the LPG road transport industry of using Aluminium Alloy spanners for connecting / disconnecting transfer hoses. The Aluminium Alloy spanners are refered to as "Non-sparking" but surely the risk of the spanner impacting rusty steel (i.e. Thermite reaction) is foreseeable?

Steel pipe supports at the connection point will likely have some rusted steel present, and at hose disconnection there will very likely be some LPG vapour present.

Is Aluminium Alloy incapable of producing a Thermite reaction spark?

John.

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#7 Posted : 20 February 2018 11:55:54(UTC)
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I think you will find that most hose connections used with flammable liquids are made of brass so are non-sparking, at least that was the case in my day (sigh!!)

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Williams28406 on 22/03/2018(UTC)
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