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#1 Posted : 09 August 2002 10:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Matt We have a customer who wishes to visit and land at our site by helicopter. Not having experienced this before, which authorities need to be consulted regarding the suitability of the landing site, permission etc? What other factors need to be considered when preparing the risk assessment? Thanks in advance
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#2 Posted : 09 August 2002 11:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Allan St.John Holt A quick answer that may help is to phone your nearest airport for advice. The bottom line as I remember it is that you can land 'anywhere' as long as it's not done more than a limited number of times per year. The pilot will know this as it's part of the PPL or CPL(H)test. It's down to the pilot to make the necessary notifications, aka a flight plan. If you're not offering fuelling and the usual distance rules are observed so as to avoid beheading half the population, the risk assessment shouldn't be too hard. Someone may be along in a while to tell us that the whole business is a lot more complicated than that, but I don't see why it should be! Allan
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#3 Posted : 09 August 2002 11:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis Is this the Ld50 for helicopter landings? I have some interesting thoughts on who should make up the bystanders in that case. Bob
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#4 Posted : 09 August 2002 12:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Murphy As I recall the fire service must be in attandence at landing and take-off.
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#5 Posted : 09 August 2002 13:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Donaldson We have an area on our campus which is used occasionally for helicopter landings. When we receive a request we normally charge a fee, which covers our grounds staff setting out an H on the ground and for one of our Patrol Officers to be in attendance to keep any onlookers at a safe distance. We don’t offer any refuelling facility. We stipulate that any clearances required are the responsibility of the pilot. This is particularly important as Colchester is still a Garrison town and the army have a number of ranges in the area. We have discussed from time to time with our local Fire Brigade if the wish to attend, but their line is that with the number of helicopter landings in the area it is not practicable for them to attend.
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#6 Posted : 10 August 2002 23:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ken Taylor I used to get involved with these landing in public parks and open spaces from time to time. The operators would inform us of their requirements for markings and area clear of persons and we would provide adequate means to keep people away - which varied from rope and pin to crash barriers with security staff depending upon our risk assessment of the numbers and types of persons that would be in the vicinity. Fire cover was always required but not necessarily an appliance.
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#7 Posted : 12 August 2002 11:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Webster We have a visitor to our Guest House several times a year who uses the farmer's field opposite. The pilot is fully responsible for all activity. He phones the farmer for permission & to check which fields will have livestock. He files his flight plan and arrives, hovering over the landing zone before putting down. No fire cover, no 'H's, no barriers. He stays for a day or two, taking off every morning and back in the evening. As far as I am aware it is all above board and by the book. We did have some concerns about kids running into the field, but in practice, as much as they are fascinated by the helicopter and all turn up when they hear the racket, they are also terrified by the noise and draught, and keep a very respectful distance until they are invited over by the pilot. John
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#8 Posted : 12 August 2002 13:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brian Dawson A few years ago a colleague had a call from a manager asking for advice on drawing up a risk assessment for a helicopter landing. "Sure we'll get back to you" "Make it quick it lands in 10 minutes!"
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#9 Posted : 12 August 2002 15:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian Waldram In terms of your risk assessment, one of the significant hazards is loose items getting sucked up and damaging the rotor blades. Thus the landing area needs to be cleared of all loose rubbish - the pilot should be able to tell you how large an area to worry about, as it varies with helicopter type. Another obvious issue is vertical obstructions. Although helicopters can do amazing things in extremis, there should be nothing sticking up more than a couple of feet anywhere round the landing and approach area - again the pilot will be able to tell you what sort of clear diameter he needs. There is no point having fire resources unless they are equipped with the right extinguishing agent (alcohol resistant AFFF) - and typical local authority appliances or your site quipment won't normally be. This becomes a significant issue when regular flights are planned, but you should be OK. It may seem obvious, but helicopters are VERY noisy, for passengers as well as those meeting them. Thus hearing protection (ideally foam plugs AND external protectors) is a good idea, even though for a ingle flight you could argue that exposure will be small.
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#10 Posted : 13 August 2002 08:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Laurie As part of my Noise Assessment course I had to take readings while chatting to the pilot of a helicopter with engine running. Let me assure you that the exposure, even for a single flight, is not small! Laurie
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#11 Posted : 20 August 2002 09:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Roger Denis DEAN As a Lighthouse Service we use ad hoc sites for helicopter operations quite often, and the golden rules are: 1. Consult with the local Fire Authority early. They will almost certainly not attend but may give you advice. 2. Do not attempt to be a fireman as most helicopter companies would not want anyone but their own staff or a Fire Authority to aim a fire extinguisher at they helicopter, but do have either a DP or CO2 unit available to douses a crew member or passenger in an emergency, once they are clear of the aircraft. 3. Prior to the arrival of the flight, remove all loose materials from an area at least 20m around the landing site. 4. Secure the area at least 30m from the landing point if possible...this can be done with two human sentries. 5. Pre-warn those attending of the "downdraft" just prior to the helicopter landing, and the need to turn away at that time. 6. If you have a flagpost in the near vicinity, put a flag on it to assist the pilot with his landing direction. 7. Only approach the aircraft if a crewmenber indicates that you can. Roger Dean FIOSH, RSP 01255 245018
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