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#1 Posted : 24 September 2002 10:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By PatrickT Colleagues, I am at odds to know whether a multi storey building with a current fire Certificate (issued by the Home Office fire inspectorate) requires an additional Risk Assessment to be undertaken? To further stir the pot we have a number of colleagues with mobility problems, what is the current best practice for their evacuation. Regards Patrick Teyhan
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#2 Posted : 24 September 2002 12:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Pedley Yes Patrick, MHSW regs require a fire risk assessment, FP Act simply requires a fire certificate to be obtained in order to occupy a premises. A fire risk assessment if done properly will produce a fire safet plan that always ensure you are in compliance with the requiremets of your fire cert. As far a disable persons go, you definately need to undertake a risk assessment to develop you procedures for that group. Suggest you contact your local Fire Safety Officer for furter on site advice. Bob
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#3 Posted : 24 September 2002 18:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By shaun mckeever Patrick Originally the Fire Precautions (Workplace) Regs were brought out in 1997 but specifically excluded premises which had fire certs. In a nutshell Europe thought we were'nt playing ball and so the 1997 Regs were subsequently amended in 1999 to include all places of work whether a fire cert was in force or not. Essentially a fire cert ensures there are adequate means of escape and remains in force for the lifetime of the building unless there are significant changes. A fire risk assessment will examine the work activities to identify ignition sources, combustible materials, management of fire safety etc and then ensure that there are adequate precautions in place to lessen the threat of fire, these aren't adequately dealt with under the fire cert. A FRA will have to be reviewed on a regular basis. I hope this helps. Best regards, Shaun
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#4 Posted : 24 September 2002 21:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler A quick and easy answer. 1. Yes you do MHASAWR 99 2. Only a competent person can complete the task must. Regards. Jonathan
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#5 Posted : 03 October 2002 14:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By sylvia For people with disablities or special needs in emergency, you should have a PEEP (personal emergency evacuation plan). That is personal to each, as different issues will apply. There is a BS for this, but forgot which. This has been around a while, before all the fire RA stuff arrived, but in my view, follows the ideal assessment approach. It will mean talking through with each person, and recording the plan once agreed. Fire service can also help - maybe have "draft plans" for them to comment on, as refuges, rescue, staged evacuation etc. vary.
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#6 Posted : 04 October 2002 10:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis Don't forget that the problem is likely to disappear soon if the consultative document from the Office of the Deputy PM goes through next year. This will move fully to the risk assessment approach and unify all fire legislation, repealing all references in other existing legislation. Bob
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#7 Posted : 09 October 2002 09:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Laurie .... but not in Scotland, where a different protocol is being followed. Laurie
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#8 Posted : 09 October 2002 15:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ken Taylor The BS you want is BS5588-8:1999 Part 8 'Code of practice for means of escape for disabled people'.
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