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#1 Posted : 09 June 2003 10:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bill Morrison We have a number of Engineers who need to carry Air Conditioning Refrigerant in their cars. They carry at most 12Kgs and one of the engineers has stated that all the vehicles should carry a Haz Chem warning and that special cages should be provided in the vehicles and that they should have any specialist training in the carrying of this refrigerant. Any advice/help on this matter would be grateful Thanks Bill
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#2 Posted : 09 June 2003 13:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Turner Bill, whilst I recognise your issue, I feel that a good old fashioned risk assessment will suffice. regards Chris T
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#3 Posted : 09 June 2003 13:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Sweetman Bill, Have a look at the 'transport of medical gas cylinders' thread. You may find a number of points that are relevant to your case. Jim Sweetman
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#4 Posted : 09 June 2003 18:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jeff Manion You must risk assess. ensure load is not lose, if breaking heavy load will fly - striking driver etc, gases may leak - refrigerant gas in "confined space" of car could lead to problems! Would also recommend fitting signage, speak to insurer of vehicle for a view. Jeff Manion, MIOSH, RSP, MRSH, MIIRSM, MIHPE, MaPS,
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#5 Posted : 12 June 2003 15:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brett Day Just an idea why not contact the companies that produce the refridgerant, that's what I did when I had a similar problem. BOC produce an excellent booklet 'Safe Under Pressure' ('SUP') free for a single copy, £2.50 for multiple copies from their technical department. I ended up issuing copies to all our engineers as it gave good, practical advice on all cylinders including oxy/acetylene and oxygen free nitrogen which many RAC engineers use in the course of their work. Other things to consider: At the time I was involved in this exercise, the cylinders you mentioned (assuming it contained R12 or R22) did not require markings externally on the vehicle. However, it seemed like a good idea to put the sticker on as the emergency services had some warning of what was on board and certain sites that we visited required markings on vehicles carrying cylinders. The downside of voluntarily marking vehicles is that they can become a thief magnet. With regard to securing cylinders in vehicles 'cradles' can be purchased from the likes of HRP or NRS or even a local scuba diving shop (these tend to be a bit dearer than those from a specialist supplier, but are often easier to obtain) the 'cradle' ties into the loops found in the boots of most cars. You didn't state if the cylinders are for reclaim refrigerant Yellow top/banding, if so they must not be carried in the same compartment as the driver (the exact piece of legislation escapes me but again there is the appropriate reference to it in 'SUP'). Here are some useful links: http://www.hrponline.co.uk/useful.html http://www.hrponline.co.uk/usefulsafety.html BOC Customer Service Centre, Priestley Road, Worsley, Manchester, M28 2UT. Tel: 0800 111 333, Fax 0800 111 555. BOC Special Gases: Tel: 0800 020 800, Fax: 0800 136 601 Hope that gives you some help
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