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#1 Posted : 18 June 2003 06:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Gavin The college where i work have a policy stating that casualty's must not be transported to hospital or their home by college first aiders using their own (or the college) car. This has been questioned by a member of staff on the grounds that it means students are waiting a long time to be picked up by parents if they have a minor injury. Major injury/illnesses are obviously transported by ambulance. The main reason this is in place is because of insurance concerns. I was wandering if there is anyone out there who has come accross this problem and could offer any solutions?
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#2 Posted : 18 June 2003 07:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jane Blunt Yes, the use of a private car to transport an injured/ill person home is, I believe, use for business purposes and it is not covered by normal car insurance. It is possible to get one's insurance extended to cover this, but if the ailments/injuries are only minor I would stick with the current policy. Jane
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#3 Posted : 18 June 2003 08:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert Whent Gavin, we looked into this at a previous company. The first responder was correct about insurance. It is cheaper to send them by cab if you need to be rid of them than to increase your insurance cover. If the injuries are minor they may as well wait with your first aiders as sit in the A&E reception area. Alternatively, stop injuring your students!!
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#4 Posted : 18 June 2003 08:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ed Carter Gavin, The system we use,if it helps, is that where a student has to be sent home for the sort of reasons you describe,we use local taxi's from approved companies within our area. The companies submit a quarterly invoice which is cross referred with our accident recording system. If matched, we pay. If not the bill is referred to the relevant School or Support Service for payment. This is also the system we used for our casualties that are deemed as needing more than just first aid but not requiring the services of an ambulance. Hope this is of use. Ed
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#5 Posted : 18 June 2003 08:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Eric Burt From a health and safety point of view, the most important issue is one of risk assessment for the driver. The employer must ensure that the driver is not put at higher risk whilst driving, and carrying someone who is unwell will certainly increase this risk. The duty to the casualty ends when they are handed over to competent medical help (doctor, hospital etc) depending on the circumstances, but imagine the scenario where a casualty passes out while the driver is engaged in a tricky driving manoeuvre, overtaking, dual carriageway etc etc. The driver's attention will be distracted, stress levels will rise, judgement will be impaired and the quality of driving will suffer. Or instead of passing out, imagine if the casualty vomits ..... The driver will be unable to rendr first aid to the casualty until the vehicle has stopped, so there is also a risk to the casualty. It is for these reasons that we should not allow employees, whether first aiders or not, to transport the sick or injured. Eric
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#6 Posted : 18 June 2003 13:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Graham Bullough This topic is pertinent for schools and colleges generally. For cases of injury or illness which require urgent attention, calling an ambulance is the only option. For schools, certainly in my local area, cases considered by school nurses/first aiders to be non-urgent, result in phone call to a parent or other relative (schools ought to have a pecking order of contacts) to come and take the pupil home or to hospital. However, there is no guarantee that any of the contacts can be contacted, be available or have a vehicle. Therefore, schools then tend to resort to having a willing member of staff transport an injured/unwell pupil (and sometimes a car-less relative)in their car either home or to hospital. Depending on nature of the case, it may also be appropriate to have another member of staff travel as well - so that the driver can concentrate on driving. If the casualty is going to hospital, someone needs to stay with the casualty while they wait at hospital ("loco parentis" and all that), at least until a relative can arrive. Travelling times and distances will also have a bearing on each case and influence the policy adopted by each school or college. The comments made by other responders about drivers needing to concentrate on driving apply equally to taxi/hire car drivers as they do to college/school staff driving their own vehicles. Therefore, each case needs to be assessed as to who should accompany the casualty. Where college students are concerned, it may be even sufficient for them in some cases to be accompanied by a willing fellow student. As for employees extending their car insurance cover to include "business" or "occasional business" use, I understand that some insurers charge little or nothing extra for such cover. Therefore, it's worthwhile for employees checking and asking about "business use", if only to clarify what constitutes "business use". Even carrying a parcel from one premises to another during working hours could be deemed by insurers to be "business use". For claims which arise during business journeys by drivers without "business use" being included in their insurance cover, it is foreseeable that some insurers could refuse to meet such claims, even where the circumstances of such journeys did not contribute to such claims. However, no doubt other forum viewers with better knowledge of the insurance industry could add their advice about "business use" cover.
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