Posted By STEVE Hi What I need to know is: If an employee in 2000 performed a FLT course,which he/she passed, was told the training company provided CITB Certification on passing but later went into liquidation would this certificate still be valid? The other problem is that the training company only provided a letter stating that an exemption for 40days would be allowed until the individual recieved his/hers certifcation and license. Most original licenses and certificates are held in the employees personal file if the company pays for the license. In a months time the so called license runs out(or refresher is needed), the employee tryed to make contact with the training provider to ask for a copy of his cert.,license only to find that the company was no longer, he followed this up by making contact with the CITB who informed him that whilst the 40day exemption was allowed, they had no record of any training that he had performed. He has informed the company of his findings, but being told not to worry as his refresher is due shortly. My and his concern is, that if no-one has a record of him actually passsing this course/test how can he possibly take a refresher? Also where would he stand if he should become involved in a serious accident? He has assured me that the training did take place ,but has only ever had the letter mentioned previously. Would this letter be valid now their is no such company, and the CITB have no record of the training taking place if an accident should occur. If he has informed his present employee of his findings(verbally, would the blame be moved to the company or would he still be held liable knowing what he has found out? I have informed him to put his findings in writing and to have it witnessed , and to then see the outcome.(he is on holiday for the next 12 days , so he has stopped driving) I need some additional feedback, to this concern to reassure myself before I arrange a meeting with the persons concerned. Any advice would be much appreciated. Steve

Posted By STEVE Hi John No no license has ever been produced, only an exemption letter stating that the training had occured and that the license would be forwarded on (upto 40days). The driver in question, is not in doubt as I have assessed him on numerous times and spoken to his line manager who speaks highly of him. He is about to undertake a refresher(inhouse) provided by the client who we work for but my concern is what about his training record if there is none, do we have to accept that whilst provider did perform this training in good faith even though they have not fulfilled all of there obligations and pass on the paperwork to the relevant bodies, this individual has been duped. Obviously the easy way out is to retrain the individual again but this is where the problem lies(cost). Whilst the cost would be nothing compaired to if he had an accident, I need to know is he still liable in a worst case scenario, or will the blame be held on our company now that he has informed the Safety Manager of his findings. Steve

Posted By john r sharp Steve I still think that retraining is the only option: you can see that he has a valid CTA card. This will prove that the driver has been assessed by an independent assessor. As regards previous training, you/ he can't prove anything. Having a letter is not the same as a valid card with photograph, expiry date etc- these facts can be verified. As regards an accident occurring, I would take him off of any driving duties until training has been carried out- you say he is on holiday, so that is easy to deal with. I would arrange a course ASAP. The previous respondent talked about CPCS: this kicks in once he has been trained. Keeping the log-book etc rolls on. Regards John