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#1 Posted : 30 July 2003 18:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Leslie Stewart I am having great difficulty in finding a concise definition for "Demolition" with respect to the CDM regulations. I am aware that all demolition falls under the scope of CDM but what constitutes Demolition Any thoughts or idea's would be welcome Thanks Alan
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#2 Posted : 30 July 2003 23:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler to perminantly remove a wall, i.e. or anything that has been built for the purpose
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#3 Posted : 30 July 2003 23:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler CDM applies to all demolition or dismantling work, whether or not the work has to be notified to the Health and Safety Executive (HSE) (see paragraph 42). Demolition and dismantling includes the deliberate pulling down, destruction or taking apart of a structure, or a substantial part of a structure. It includes dismantling for re-erection or re-use. Demolition does not include operations such as making openings for doors, windows or services or removing non-structural elements such as cladding, roof tiles or scaffolding. These operations may, however, form part of demolition or dismantling work when carried out alongside other activities. HSG 224 Para 30
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#4 Posted : 01 August 2003 12:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Sweetman Alan, When the revised CDM ACOP came out, I was hoping to see a more concise definition than that eventually included. I have come across general 'tests' such as: - Does it require 'specialist' contractors? - Does it affect the structural integrity of any structure? - Is a significant amount of design involved? - Are the public at risk from the works? There are probably many other criteria that people (particularly 'conscientious' Planning Supervisors)will apply. However, the advice that I have given to my organisation's personnel, up and down the country, is to contact the local HSE for any interpretaion they may give. After all, when it comes to enforcement, it will be they who will come in with the big boot. An alternative thought, however, if CDM does not apply, then what other H&S legislation does apply? Even for the smaller(?)jobs, considering the principles of CDM (info/plan/competence/manage etc) may be an advisable strategy. Good luck. Jim
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#5 Posted : 01 August 2003 14:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Leslie Stewart Thanks to Jonathan and Jim for some sound advice. I xcan proceed from here Alan
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#6 Posted : 04 August 2003 17:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Allan St.John Holt Five tonnes of rubble etc has always proved a useful cut-off point in my experience. A RIDDOR defintion as I recall, which has been accepted by the HSE when asked by me to do so. More muck than that and it's probably a high enough risk to interest HSE from a CDM viewpoint, and vice versa. What others say about not trying too hard to force projects in or out of CDM is good advice, though, because CDM is the construction version of the Management Regs which will apply in any case. Allan
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#7 Posted : 06 August 2003 13:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By russell calderwood Interesting topic - demolition - my 2d worth is as follows : - There is unlikely to be a purists / legal definition - simply because as with trying to define competent - knowledge, experience, qualifications etc - it is all a matter of subjective [competent] judgement. Which is obviously why it is worth belonging to IOSH, as it provides the 'accepted' standard for achieving accreditation in the H&S world; particular as the Institution is recognised by Government as being CHARTERED = end of plug = to go on - Further to the reference by JS re HSG 224 - I would refer you to definition of "Construction work" para 26 and more particularly, para 27 'the following are not construction work', thus everything else is construction / demolition! I note reference has been made to '5 tonnes' - an interesting proposal, but unfortunately, I don't think this is viable, re para 27 and MHSW Reg 3. I would also refer you to HSG 150 pp43 and to British Standard 6187-2000 'Code of practice for Demolition' for more information on the subject; note, the latter also shies away from offering a definition! However, according to the dictionaries - demolition – is a noun, meaning - bring down, break up, destroy, etc; As to quantity / significance, well that’s down to MHSW Reg 3 - risk assessment & Reg 5 etc - this is not a 'cop out', but a simple fact of life that keeps us gainfully employed. Respice finem [keep the end in sight] Russell Calderwood.
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