Posted By brett arundel could any one help, we are currently recruting 16-25 year old to work continental shift. now before you all start jumping on my back about the retrictions, i know what they are. (16-18). with these restrictions we would be forced not to employ unless they are 18.our training has been set up to work the shifts and would be effected it if they were to work within the aproved times. also the money that they could earn would be much less, eg by the time they are 18 some could be earning 18 grand, as compaired to 10 grand on none continental. my other point is that by the time they are 18 and ready to go on shift, what if they dont like nights & can not be accomadated on another pattern.I FEEL TRAINING IS A PRIVOLAGE AND FEEL SADENED BY THE FACT THAT WE MAY LOOSE THE CHANCE TO INTRODUCE YOUNG TALENTED PEOPLE INTO OUR INDUSTRY.why oh why carnt this be left upto the young employee and there parents.

Posted By allan wood training a privolage? a new one on me thought it was a necessity under health and safety laws in the u.k. or are you from a third world country or just using third world working methods? as mentioned in the previous threads employees are entitled to information, instruction and training. as for working shifts at a young age it would be advisable to stay within the law or be prepared to bear the consequences!!!

Posted By Martyn Hendrie Brett, I feel that you are missing the point as to why the restrictions are in place. You describe your workplace as being of a high standard. No doubt it may well be so. However, for every good employer who would act sensibly and look after his "young persons" there is likely to be another 2-3 who would exploit them. The law is there to protect people, bemoaning the fact that the law prevents you from doing what you consider to be appropriate does not change the fact that you must comply with the law or face the consequenses. I am sure that those who used to send youngsters up chimneys could argue that they were providing them with training

Posted By Lesley Can I ask why you feel it so essential for 16-18 year olds to work these shifts ? Why not 18 years plus ?

Posted By allan wood just out of curiosity, what line of business is it again? oh and good luck with the dti and all the other powers that be .... you may need it mate!

Posted By Pat Burns MIOSH - SpDipEM - AMIQA Brett let me give a true life example of what can happen to young persons in this age group. My son got a job with a major golf course in the West of Scotland. The job description detailed that his hours would be iaw the working time regs and that his shift would be 8 hours between 7am and 11pm. He lasted about six weeks. Apart from 1 week he left the house about 3pm started at 4pm and finished when he was stood down. This was usually anywhere between midnight and 3am. There was no public transport or arrangements by the employer to ensure he got safely home. Yes he thought the money was quite good. He was on about £5.00 an hour plus tips which were taxed at source. He then realised that he had lost his life, was either working or sleeping his life away. I spoke with his employer regarding the law which was detailed in his contract of employment. It seemed as if the extra money was enough to keep it quite. He left and is now working with Argos who pay him a bit less but look after his health safety and welfare. He is going to college in January to pursue a career in the merchant navy and is now a bit wiser. His diet is now good, he has just won the county cross country championships under 20s at 17 and has a life again. The legislation is there to protect children and like it or lump it until you are 18 you are in the eyes of the law a child.

Posted By Peter Taylor Hope your not training in lexicography

Posted By Pat Burns MIOSH - SpDipEM - AMIQA Hear Hear Cathy.

Posted By brett arundel i think i need to clear up one or two points. a privilege(sorry for my last spelling)means- right or favour granted to or enjoyed by an individual. what i meant was, i dont need a peice of legislation to tell me that i have to train, and this includes any age.when i started in textiles at 16, i was trainned to do my job, which took approx 4 years. not once did any of the trainers ask for any reward, so now that i am in my 30s with a lot of experiance it is now my PRIVILEGE AND DUTY TO THE LAW & AN INDUSTRY THE HAS GIVEN ME EMPLOYMENT OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS to give something back. i will say to you all. are you going through life doing things because you are told to do so, or are you doing it because YOU KNOW its the right thing to do. so theres no need to be HORRIFIED. the shift pattern. 2 12 hour shifts,3 days off, 2 12 hour shifts, 2 days off, 3 12 shifts, 2 days off. 2 weeks days and 2 weeks nights. 1 week = 48hours ( NEVER ABOVE) 1 week = 36 hours thats an average of 42 hours. difficult to change the shift system, although we are looking at not working sundays, but the problem will still be there regarding night work. oh and thanks allan for the encouragement, i too think we will be banging our heads against a dti wall but one things for sure not without a fight. brett