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#1 Posted : 02 January 2004 11:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Eric Burt Has anyone had a chance to have a look at the proposed Work at Heights Regulations Consultation Document. I'm ploughing through it today - only 166 pages! Any thoughts......? Happy New Year Eric
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#2 Posted : 04 January 2004 21:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mike Miller Not seen it yet. Can it be down loaded? Mike
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#3 Posted : 05 January 2004 10:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Allan St.John Holt Eric, I think you ought to do us all a favour and provide a synopsis of the proposals! Save everyone a lot of reading. I think the big issue is whether we really need it? What does it offer that isn't already covered by Regulation? Risk assessment before every work at height situation? Yep, got that already. Safe system of work? Got that one as well. Don't do it that way if you don't have to? Gosh - we though of that one as well. Could be time somebody mentioned this? Happy New Year to all our readers, by the way! Allan
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#4 Posted : 05 January 2004 11:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis Trouble is we have the Directive problem. I cannot find any aspect which a competent employer will not be addressing already. The goal setting legislation period is now over and we need to follow Europe back in time to the days of specific legislation for particular tasks. Welcome to the new old days when an army of people were employed to find loopholes in the application of the regulations after every accident. For the construction industry I think the only notable change will be the need to cite different legislation!!!!!!!!!!!! Bob
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#5 Posted : 05 January 2004 12:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Karen Todd And don't forget to read through the proposals for the new Control of Vibration at Work Regulations at 180 pages too! Regards, Karen
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#6 Posted : 05 January 2004 15:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andy Binstead yes but... we are hopefully all on the right side of the argument. cannot help feeling that 'requirements' like this are aimed at industry generally - which may not have such 'experts' as us about. if it raises their general awareness of safety issues, then so much the better - i've been asked about it twice since the brief period of publicity it received - somethings working in the HSE PR machine. any thoughts? yes it can be downloaded as a pdf from the hse site - very quick on a decent work internet connection, and the document is suprisingly accessible compared with some i've seen - very clearly written! (time to watch some paint dry now) happy new year to all Andy.
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#7 Posted : 06 January 2004 10:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Des Daly The scaffolding industry has followed this new piece of legislation with understandable interest. The proposed requirement to provide erection and dismantle plans ( not method statements) for complex scaffolding configurations seems to make good sense. The requirement to prevent scaffold board/decks being accidently dislodged during use favours system type scaffolds - but once again seems to make good sense. The requirement for 'collective' fall prevention above personal will most probably result in a rapid growth in the safety netting/ safety bag industries and more emphasis being placed on designers to consider collective protection during construction. But the greatest impact, I feel will be the requirement to risk assess the use of ladders for work. The risk assessment must consider the nature of the task and the duration of the work to be performed off of the ladder ( OK, we already have to carry out risk assessment but this is very task specific). It will no longer be acceptable to just pick up a ladder and 'monkey' a job. In only exeptional cases will the use of ladders as work platforms be allowed. So, the scaffolding and alloy tower hire industries will also benefit. I have heard from a good source that the industry most affected will be the entertainment ( rigging, stages grandstand seating etc.), however, the humble ladder - that has been used by Man for centuries for quick and easy access for work will go to the bottom of the pile when it comes to access solutions.
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#8 Posted : 08 January 2004 14:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Eric Burt Thanks for all the responses. Unfortunately my computer crashed just after my posting hence I was unable to read replies. I feel very much the same as Alan in respect of this new legislation - surely the Management of Health and Safety at Work Regs 99 are designed to enhance the philospohy of " he who creates the risk must control the risk". Makes you wonder what is coming next.... My money is on SPECIFIC Regulations for protective footwear (then they would have to be issued free of charge)....... Regards, Eric
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#9 Posted : 08 January 2004 15:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Philosophical It strikes me that the point has been missed with regard to the need for regulating temporary work at height, after all, isn't this one of the greatest causes of fatality and major injury at work in the UK. Perhaps it would be better vocalising questions over the need for the DSE or Manual Handling regs - after all, when did a display screen ever kill anyone, short of falling on their head! I think it also worth appreciating that at this stage it is only a consultative document and not the real thing, but having read the document I believe it will be invaluable, especially if the ACOP is reflected in a similar vain in managing this area of risk. Like some of the contributors I would like to argue that the Management regulations are sufficient in themselves to manage all risks, unfortunately for some specific ones they are not, hence the need for COSHH, Lead, Asbestos, Noise etc. etc. Need I go on?
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#10 Posted : 08 January 2004 17:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Geoff Burt Not quite right filosp...pilso .... pholo, thinker! All the regs you quote came before the management regs and could all now be included in guidance/codes of practice.
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#11 Posted : 09 January 2004 10:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Philosophical Eric, I think you missed my point - the fact is that with some hazards and the level of associated risk, there is probably a need to have definitive regulation, working at height being one of them. Again, do we need any of the subsidiary legislation, when clearly the requirement is fundamental to safety management as defined in the Health and Safety at Work Act. Perhaps it's an element of proportionality related to the hazard that should drive the need for legislation, hence my comments regarding MHOR and DSE.
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#12 Posted : 09 January 2004 16:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Angela Howat I have a copy of the consultative document and have read the proposed Regulations and the Draft Guidance contained within it. It has also been interesting to read the discussion forum threads on this particular issue. At the Midlands IOSH meeting last night an HSE Principal Inspector gave a presentation on working at height which included debate on the Consultation Document, the proposed Regulations and the Draft Approved Code of Practice. I reserve further comment on the proposed Regulations here, however, as a final year student at The Nottingham Trent University studying Safety Health and Environmental Management with a project to complete on working at height, this subject will remain high on my agenda at least until the June EXAMS! Now for my plug: May I ask for some IOSH members involved in the construction sector, either as a Client or Constructor to help me with my final year project Questionnaire on Working at Height in Construction (only 3 pages). If you would be willing to complete a questionnaire, or are in a position to distribute a small number of questionnaires to line managers or operatives in construction please contact me at CE106470@ntu.ac.uk (e-mail address) Please note that the results will be treated as strictly confidential, and no individuals or companies will be named in my report. Thanks
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