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#1 Posted : 29 January 2004 15:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Simon Micklewright Would anybody know why the word "etc" appears in the Health and safety at work etc act 1974? What does it mean ( I know its an abreviation of etcetera, before you all kindly point that out) but what is the origins of it? is it an amendment? I was asked this the other day and I havent a clue! Thank you Simon
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#2 Posted : 29 January 2004 15:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Shane Johnston Full title: Health, safety and welfare in connection with work, and control of dangerous substances and certain emissions into the atmosphere. Shane
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#3 Posted : 29 January 2004 15:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Simon Micklewright Blumming heck!! I shall stick to the Etc bit, thanks a lot Shane, quite interesting really. Simon
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#4 Posted : 29 January 2004 15:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze It's in Section 5 if you're really keen.
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#5 Posted : 29 January 2004 16:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jay Joshi 2 The "etc" refers to other parts of the Act that are/were not directly related to health, safety and welfare, such as Part II that deals with settiung up of EMAS and part III that dealt with Building Regulations--now repealed by the Building Act 1984
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#6 Posted : 29 January 2004 16:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Allen The "etc" comes about because the principal purpose of the Act is to further promote health and safety at work but there are sections in it that do other things not directly connected with this subject. For instance a section of the act takes away the right of inspectors to present their own cases in the Sheriff courts. As has been pointed out Section 5 was about using the best practical means to prevent air pollution from certain undertakings (Incidentally there was a misprint in this section which made it a dead letter from day one) There are various other administrative changes including the setting up of the executive and the commission, and EMAS. A fairly large chunk concerned ammendments to the Building Regs. Incidentally as the Act approaches its 30th Birthday (1st April next year) what price a major reform of legislation and the means of enforcing it? Time for a new principal Act and a new inspectorate?
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#7 Posted : 30 January 2004 08:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Barthrope Dear Simon, I was lead to believe that the "Health and Safety At Work Etc Act" is the abbreviated term that the written document tells us to call it! If you look at the document you will find that the full title is approximately 10 lines long (if I remember correctly). I believe this is the correct answer you are looking for, but like you if this is incorrect I would like to be put right by the great and righteous out there. PS (The etc must come before the word "Act" Regards Alan B
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#8 Posted : 30 January 2004 10:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Simon Micklewright Thank you everyone Simon
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#9 Posted : 30 January 2004 10:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jane Blunt Dear Simon, etc (couldn't resist that !) I have a copy and the first page is: Health and Safety at Work etc. Act 1974 1974 Chapter 37 An Act to make further provisions for securing the health, safety and welfare of persons at work, for protecting others against risks to health or safety in connection with the activities of persons at work, for controlling the keeping and use and preventing the unlawful acquisition, possession and use of dangerous substances, and for controlling certain emissions into the atmosphere; to make further provision with respect to the employment medical advisory service; to amend the law relating to building regulations, and the Building (Scotland) Act 1959; and for connected purposes. I'll bet you wish you hadn't asked! Regards Jane
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#10 Posted : 30 January 2004 21:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adrian Watson As somebody stated the etc in the Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974 is because part 2 of the act relates to the building in scotland. The 10 line part describing the act is technically called the long title and "the health and safety at work etc act 1974" is the short title. Regards Adrian Watson
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#11 Posted : 31 January 2004 12:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robin V Boughton The Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974 is a parliamentry enabling act and the .etc signifies that in its Title. An enabling Act allows the Secretary of State to make Regulations under the Act without going through the whole Parliamentry Process to change related statutory legislation or bring in new health and safety provisions.
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#12 Posted : 31 January 2004 18:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp Simon et al, Have to agree with Robin in that the Etc indicates it is an enabling piece of legislation. And I quote: '..provides for Regulations to enacted under the Act without recourse to Patliament.' (Morris, 1997) Regards Ray
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#13 Posted : 31 January 2004 19:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adrian Watson Sorry to disagree chaps, etc means no such thing. The Environmental Protection Act, Housing Acts, Building Acts are also enabling acts. As previously stated the etc refers to part two of the act. Regards Adrian Watson LLM MSc Dip Occ Hyg FFOH FIOSH RSP MCIEH Chartered Environmental Health Practictioner
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#14 Posted : 31 January 2004 20:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robin V Boughton We live and learn! Robin Boughton. Bachelor of Science (Honours), Chartered Engineer, Member of the Institute of Electrical Engineers, Member of the Institute of Occupational Health and Safety, and Registered Safety Practitioner.
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#15 Posted : 01 February 2004 11:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By David J Bristow Simon You seem to have an array of different explanations as to what the "etc" stands for, so let me give you another one. My understanding was that the "etc" was for those persons not at work, e.g. members of the public including children. HSWA places duties on us all! Hope this helps. Regards David B
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#16 Posted : 02 February 2004 10:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jane Blunt Yes, it is an enabling Act, and the 'etc' is not relevant to this, as stated above. The 'enabling' bit comes from Section 15, '.... the Secretary of State shall have power to make regulations......' Section 16 specifies that the HSC may issue Approved Codes of Practice. Jane
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#17 Posted : 02 February 2004 12:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson For Adrian and Robin, From Dave Wilson 'etc' !
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#18 Posted : 02 February 2004 13:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bill Elliott The Act - Part IV section 85 refers to the short title ie "This Act may be cited as the Health and Safety at Work etc. Act 1974 - referring to an abbreviated version of the whole title which is - An Act to make further provision for securing the health, safety and welfare of persons at work, for protecting others against risks to health or safety in connection with the activities of persons at work, for controlling the keeping and use of dangerous substances, and for controlling certain emissions into the atmosphere; to make further provision with respect to the employment medical advisory service ; to amend the law relating to building regulations, and the Building (Scotland) Act 1959; and for connected purposes.
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#19 Posted : 02 February 2004 13:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Abbott LMAO @ Dave Wilson "etc"! :)
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#20 Posted : 02 February 2004 20:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By David J Bristow Simon Adrian says were all wrong -Robin states that’s its an enabling act (we all know that), Jane confirms what’s been posted earlier, because all enabling Acts have the same theme, that regulations can be made under without going through the full parliamentary process, as stated earlier. So what does the Etc mean? Regards David B cycling provisionary badge, 50 meters swimming cert, second class shooting badge -303 rifle
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#21 Posted : 02 February 2004 22:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adrian Watson Dear All, Just for the record, I did not say that everybody was wrong. What I said was that as a number of other people had previously said, the "etc" in the title refers to part 2 of the act which amends the Scotland building acts and does not mean that the act is an enabling act. The technique of tacking non-contentious amendments to non relating acts is often done because parliamentary time is short and this technique does not require extra parliamentary time to be made in the legislatative time table. Regards Adrian watson
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#22 Posted : 03 February 2004 11:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ken Taylor I was around at the time. When deciding upon the short title, it was felt that, as it did not only deal with the health and safety of persons at work, it would be better to include the term 'etc'.
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#23 Posted : 04 February 2004 10:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze So, are we all wrong, all right, all partially right in that it includes several aspects mentioned by various people or what? etc...
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#24 Posted : 13 July 2005 11:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bill Elliott As others have indicated, L23 is Guidance. From the first few pages - the following may help you: "The Regulations set no specific requirements such as weight limits; Do not regard the guidelines as precise recommendations. Where there is doubt make a more detailed assessment". Appendix 3 gives the familiar diagram showing the "guideline weight" for both women and men taking into account the zones through which a load may travel whilst being lifted/lowered. From the inside front cover - following the guidance is not compulsory and you are free to take other action. But if you do follow the guidance you will normally be doing enough to comply with the Law.
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