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#1 Posted : 25 February 2004 14:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Patrick Teyhan
Respected colleagues, once again I find myself asking for your wise council.

On this occassion I seek advice on two subjects

i) the career development route to ascertaining Registered Safety Practitioner Status!

I am currently at TechSP level and have in excess of 10 years OHS&W experience within the public sector.

An opportunity may arise within my organisation for a senior Safety Practitioner and a H&S unit whose members are given training up to "RSP" status.

ii) I am under the impression that the Consultation with Employees regulations can actualy have Management "appoint" from within, without advertising externally, is this / am I correct?

Regards


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#2 Posted : 25 February 2004 14:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bryan Weatherill
You will need either Diploma Part 2 - as it currently stands, be aware that there are changes afoot in the Diploma as a whole - or NVQ Level 4, then have to prove your experience for the past 3 - 4 years across a wide spectrum of H & S, best through the CPD route from IOSH, then continue with CPD. It can be difficult if you have a limited / narrow H & S experience. Hope this helps - having been there - Bryan
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#3 Posted : 26 February 2004 13:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter
Part (ii) of your question is a bit confused is it not?
I take it you mean the employer's access to a source of competent health and safety assistance?
This is the Management Regs! (Reg.7),associated guidance suggests it is best to look within the Organisation first.
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#4 Posted : 26 February 2004 21:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stuart Nagle
It used to be normal practice within Local Authorities to advertise posts internally for two weeks before going 'outside'. This was when there was a wealth of experience in-house of course and probably academic standards were lower than now (I'm getting on now at 47!!!!), and they keep moving the goalposts... don't they !!

Following this most posts were advertised in 'Opportunities' (don't know if it still exists), and in the local press.

I think you will find that internal appointments, ad-hoc, are now a thing of the past and the criteria for appointment (quals and experience, knowledge ect) is applied rather than who you know or what you think you know, and regardless that you think you could do the job.

Unfortunately this is to some degree retrogressive, in that many applicants for jobs in Local Government are purely academic with little real experience.

I came up via the old route, one of last I think to do this, off the tools and into a district office, college as well via day release and night school, and finally onto the top floor, where it seemed all engineers offices always were (once described to me by a much older colleague as 'closer to god').

In later years, before I left LA, I noticed with growing concern the fact that most in the office came from school, straight through college or university, and ended up on the top floor with all the qualifications and no experience or knowledge of the job in real terms.
The shame of it is that all the time I read of those who are crying out for job experience - to mix with acedemic study - who are being ignored or passed over for those with the acedemic qualifications and real experience. This appears to me to be a waste of resources and in many respects takes longer to produce a fee earning member of the team!!!

It is interesting to note recently, with all the talk of fee top-ups on university courses, that the silent majority have been employers. lets face it, it is the employer who in the end reaps the real rewards of highly educated people, and I for one think that the majority of courses ofered at University ought to be through employers, for example, local government, to get the younger ones into a job, getting experience balanced with academic study and thus producing the best well rounded staff.... this surely would be beneficial to all....

there thats the moan over with....
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#5 Posted : 26 February 2004 21:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stuart Nagle
Opps....

...The shame of it is that all the time I read of those who are crying out for job experience - to mix with acedemic study - who are being ignored or passed over for those with the acedemic qualifications and real experience...

Should read....

...The shame of it is that all the time I read of those who are crying out for job experience - to mix with acedemic study - who are being ignored or passed over for those with the acedemic qualifications and no real experience...

sorry about that...
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#6 Posted : 26 February 2004 22:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Smurfer
Oops...

Shouldn't it be 'academic'

Andy ;-)
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