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#1 Posted : 23 March 2004 17:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Craig Lawton All to all on the Forum, We recently had a problem with the toilets on the site and the issue of hygiene was raised, after checking the HSE website the advice is typically vague. We have about 300 employees, 50 of which are female. For them we have 16 toilets and 8 urinals, these are obviously segregated, loos are cleaned daily. How frequently are your loos cleaned?
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#2 Posted : 23 March 2004 19:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mike Miller Daily! and we have 2400 on site. Mike
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#3 Posted : 24 March 2004 07:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alec Wood three times daily, 600 on site Alec
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#4 Posted : 24 March 2004 08:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Karen Todd Hi Craig, Maybe you need to specify to the cleaners exactly what you want done? For example, if I tell my husband to clean the lounge, he thinks that involves pushing the vacuum cleaner around the floor and it sucks up all dirt effectively (a bit like the one in the Carlsberg ad)! However, what I would expect him to do, and what I do when I clean the lounge, is vacuum the carpet vigorously, vacuum the skirting boards, dust the inside and outside of the door, dust all surfaces (e.g. mantlepiece, CD racks, table, pictures, etc.), clean insides of windows, empty ashtray, etc. I swore at one time I was going to draw up a list for each room in the house detailing exactly what the cleaning of it involved. Regards, Karen
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#5 Posted : 24 March 2004 08:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By shaun allport Ps... dont forget the celling lights, the dust they attract!!!!!!!
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#6 Posted : 24 March 2004 09:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Karen Todd Don't joke - I was at a plant council meeting where the issue of toilet cleanliness was raised, one of the issues being cobwebs on the ceiling! Karen
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#7 Posted : 24 March 2004 09:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Craig Lawton Thanks all for your replies! After internal discussions and reading your comments I'm angling towards stepping up to twice daily. I'm also going to get hold of a cleaning shedule from the contractors and basicly audit them to that. Dangerous stuff! I think the main problem is the staff take a lot for granted and a are basically abusing the facilities provided. I hope that by improving the cleaning effort as above and also a one off deep-clean of the facilities people will take ownership and be more responsible. However, this might not be enough. Any suggestions? What do you do at your place? Thanks again, Craig
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#8 Posted : 24 March 2004 14:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Thomas Craig This is a perennial problem in the workplace - staff have a funny attitude and do things they would never ever consider doing at home. I suggest you look at this from two viewpoints, firstly the cleaning contract, what it says and more importantly what it doesn't say. You must ensure that the work is carried out daily and that when paying for 8hours work that is what you get. Tea or fag breaks are not included. Secondly, you must ensure that staff understand there are certain standards that must be maintained. Most companies have clients as well as contractors visiting who leave with a lasting impression. That is usually what they see on arrival! We have a cleaning contract which is based around a full schedule of works and includes deep cleans which are carried out on a quarterly basis. I will send you a copy direct which you can use as a basis for discussion with your cleaning contractor regards Dave
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#9 Posted : 24 March 2004 16:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Walker You folks want to think youselves lucky you don't deal with construction site toilets! Getting them to use the designated one in the first place is a problem, let alone the state it is left in.
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#10 Posted : 24 March 2004 20:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mike Miller Ahh Yes the old thunder box! now that takes me back. The worst is monday morning. 29 blokes on site all of whome have had about 9 pints and a curry the night before!!!! I remeber it so well Mike
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#11 Posted : 24 March 2004 21:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Geoff Burt By coincidence I've just been involved in this topic for a client. Daily cleaning of toilets should be the standard, and doing it more often (which may be seen as a requirement given the staff/fixture ratio) only 'cleans' the surface dirt, e.g. floors/walls and the obvious dirt on fixtures. Companies generally employ non specialist cleaning contractors to clean everything including the toilets but from my experience they can't compete with professional sanitation companies. A more comprehensive cleaning and sanitation regime is recommended to remove limescale buildup, uric acid and body fat deposits which is necessary to prevent bacteria build up and smells. Usually this is a weekly thorough clean using chemicals not available to untrained general contractors which remove build ups from areas not usually catered for eg under rims, around and underneath taps and sinks and behind toilet bowls and pipework. This also helps prevent the 'sneeze effect' which was highlighted in 'Washroom Hygiene Magazine' recently and is an effect which occurs everytime a toilet is flushed. Microscopic droplets of water infused with germs and created from the biofilm, which is the area above and below the water inside the bowl, are propelled out of the bowl and into the atmosphere - takes about a minute to cover the whole room, and apparently they are still present on handles and fixtures and walls up to 30 minutes after flushing. My contanct was jeremy.mumford@swishercolchester.co.uk if anybody wants any more information. Geoff
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#12 Posted : 25 March 2004 12:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Zoe Barnett With regard to trying to get people to leave the loos as they would wish to find them, here are some ideas we've tried in schools: 1) floating a plastic fly or pin pong ball in trough urinals - apparently the male urge for target practice is high, which encourages careful aim 2)using the old "greaseproof" loo paper - doesn't stick to the ceiling when wet. 3)removing the sink plugs 4) painting the loo walls a lurid colour to discourage lingering. Careful who you get to do the decorating though - one school used the community service lads to paint the stalls one weekend; when they came back on Monday morning they found the school aquarium empty and a goldfish swimming mournfully in each pan.
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