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#1 Posted : 07 April 2004 16:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steve I have a bit of a dilemma and your help would be very much appreciated In the event of a fire all of our employees have been instructed to evacuate their building immediately and leave the fire fighting to the experts - the fire service. We have responsibility for an office building and a childcare centre. Fire risk assessments have been carried out. We have fire wardens and evacuation procedures, we have signing in/out procedures and fire drills which are recorded and any points for action from the fire drill dealt with immediately. All of our employees are aware of, and adhering to the procedures. Fire extinguishers are in place and serviced and fire action signs are posted throughout the building. I have recently been notified that we must now ensure that employees receive fire extinguisher training, as a fire extinguisher may help to safeguard a means of escape. Many of the employees have said they do not want to do the training. If we did not provide this training and someone got hurt could we be held liable?
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#2 Posted : 07 April 2004 16:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Karen Todd Steve, We recently carried out fire extinguisher training for a number of employees and plan to have all employees trained over the next couple of years. Some of our employees were also anxious about going on the training course, and about any obligations they might have. We said that all employees would undergo the training, there would be no exceptions. The training covers other aspect of fire safety, not just how to use the extinguishers. We have also made it clear that there is no obligation on anyone to fight a fire. We have a couple of real firemen in our workforce, and we trained them as well. We didn't want to say, "Oh sure they're already firemen, they don't need trained". The trainers were very good and put peoples minds at rest. For example, someone asked what extinguisher would be a safe bet to use if they couldn't remember the right one to use. The instructor's answer was none, to get the hell out of there. The training also prompted a number of employees to think about fire safety in their own homes and on the request of the employees, the training company (whose main business is the supply and servicing of fire extinguishers etc.) then brought in fire blankets and small fire extinguishers which they sold to the employees for very reasonable rates. A lot of them really enjoyed the training and said it was the most useful training they'd undertaken. Regards, Karen
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#3 Posted : 07 April 2004 16:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Webster You should not need fire extinguishers to protect a means of escape. They should be inherently safe. You have done a risk assessment. Presumably this confirms that there is no significant risk of fire breaking out in your escape routes. If fire breaks through from another area, then the fire is way beyond the help afforded by a fire extinguisher. Fire extinguishers should be used by properly trained individuals, and then only in circumstances which do not put the user at risk. Sure, they can be useful to prevent a small outbreak - eg a computer catching fire, turning into a blaze, and we train our fire marshals to use them.....properly.....if circumstances permit but then only at their discretion. For everyone else, the priority has to be raise the alarm & get out.
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#4 Posted : 07 April 2004 18:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steve Granger Ditto Karens reply, especially the comment on feedback from sceptics. We have introduced a brief training session across the board - including a hot fire practical that includes home safety. Every delegate has given positive feedback. Important to choose your trainer - get recommendations from neighbouring colleagues. Steve
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#5 Posted : 07 April 2004 20:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Laurie Steve As a matter of interest who "notified" you that you must give this training? Laurie
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#6 Posted : 08 April 2004 09:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ken Taylor It is interesting that whereas fire certificates issued under the Fire Precautions Act 1971 tended to say something like 'All persons at work shall be instructed and trained..... The instruction and training shall cover....the correct method of operation and location of fire fighting equipment...', 'Fire Safety: An Employer's Guide' states 'The equipment must be suitable to the risks and appropriate staff will need training and instruction in its proper use'. Extinguisher training needs to be 'sold' to intended recipients on the basis of its potential benefit to themselves and their colleagues and an assurance that there will be no obligation to fight fires.
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