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Posted By bill smith
My recently trained First Aides are recommending purchase of defibrillators for use in emergency collapse situations, etc.
The equipment manufacturer also produce a training package.
Has anyone purchased/employed such equipment, and what type of training would be required?
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Posted By Steve Langston
We have a number of Defibs. Ttraining is normally 3 hours (ish) long. As for the frequency of training it is down to risk assessmnet and the training provider. For example,
the ambulance service recommended refresher training in the use of a defib on an annual basis
St Johns recommended 6 monthly due to its infrequent use.
My recommendation is 6 monthly unless there are other significant circumstances, i.e. we retrain every 3 months at our leisure centres as there is a greater risk of strokes and collapse during exercise, (especially as we have people who attend stroke clubs).
Hope this helps
Steve
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Posted By Steve Cartwright
Be very carefull here. Does your company have a history of employees suddenly collapsing and clutching their hearts. Do a risk assessment and use a risk rating table. If it warrants all the cost of a defibrillator and the training then go ahead. Remember you will have to justify the costs. You might look a bit foolish trying to justify this to your bosses if nobody has ever had a heart attack whilst in work.
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Posted By David Arnold There is an conference and exhibition called First Aid Forward at UMIST Manchester - October 23rd Most suppliers of defibrillators will be there. Enterance to the exhibition is free. See www.FirstAidCafe.co.uk/Conference04
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Posted By Zyggy Turek
Bill,
I purchased a defib. a few years ago for use in our Town Hall, i.e. employees & public.
I took advice from our local ambulance service as to which type to buy & they kindly gave training to nominated First-Aiders which is refreshed every 6 months.
Please note that apart from the initial cost (about £2.5k) there are also consumable items & we plumped for the 5-year lithium battery, rather than one on trickle-charge.
You may also be able to get one via the British Heart Foundation, it's worth a try!
Don't forget to tell your insurers as they can get a bit twitchy & usually insist on a number of "safeguards".
For information, our First-Aiders have used it twice, but unfortunately with no happy ending. However, on both occasions the employees were praised for their actions by the ambulance service.
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Posted By Len Newman
We brought ours from our local St Johns at a cost of 1995.00 with the first training session free, a year ago.(type FR2)
We also brought the CD, which is on a training programme to each operator each month.
The formal training once a year is carried out by St Johns, 8 people x 4 hours. (300.00)
This seems to work.
Len Newman B.C.C.
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Posted By Joe Quinn
Have a look at the useful info on the website of the British Heart Foundation.
Regards,
Joe
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Posted By David A Jones
There is no legal requirement to provide defibrillators, unless of course a risk assessment identifies that there is a significant risk of such incidents that require the use of this equipment. in most cases I would suggest than an assessment would identify such a need - however there will always be exceptions and these will almost certainly relate to the provision of first aid to non-employees, eg. gyms, old peoples homes, etc
In my experience of first aiders going on courses, they all come back asking for these because they have been hyped up by the training company who usually have a vested interest as they sell them.
So in summary - be careful (as noted by a previous respondent) - there may not be risk based arguement for supplying these i.e. the cost is disproportionate to the benefit - remember you can always call an ambulance.
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Posted By bill smith
May I express my thanks to all who replied to my enquiry. Many heads are better than one, especially when they have knowledge/experience of the subject, and the responses have enabled progress to be made.
Best Regards
Bill
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