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Posted By STEVE mJONES
Has anyone got COSHH datasheets for glass.
Safety Glass/Patterened Glass/4mm clear glass etc?
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Posted By Clarke Kent
Steve,
As far as I am aware glass is not classified as a hazardous substance under the COSHH Regulations and does not therefore require an assessment nor will the manufacturers be required to provide MSDS for glass. They will however have to produce COSHH assessments for some of the ingredients used to manufacture glass such as silica sand.
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Posted By Keith Egerton
Quite agree with the first posting on this thread.
The only way I could see glass coming under CoSHH, is if you were engraving onto the glass and producing fine particles - but as plate glass I see no CoSHH implications.
Isn't the main issue with plate glass, the risk of it breaking, for what ever reason, and associated risk of cuts to workers/public. Safe means of transport, storing, handling/lifting and fitting etc and correct thickness/specification for the intended application.
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Posted By Neil Pearson
I agree - a sheet or pane of glass would be an "article" not a "substance", and so not covered by COSHH.
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Posted By STEVE mJONES
Pilkington Glass faxed me a COSHH sheet today. It is a bit limited and if any one wants a copy I can fax it to you.
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Posted By Keith Egerton
Interesting to note Pilkingtons will supply a data sheet for glass, but I would still maintain no CoSHH assessment is needed for plate glass - as stated.
At most you would consider the form that the material is present i.e. solid, liquid, gas etc and solid glass does not present a health hazard in the meaning implied under the CoSHH regs (in my humble opinion!).
As my opinion earlier, I can only see solid glass being hazardous if carrying out engraving - even then, as a first thought, probably not too much to worry about as I would guess the particles are relatively heavy and hence not airborne/inhalable.
As stated by others, CoSHH is probably more applicable in the manufacture of glass - silica sand etc
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter
Steve
Safety information provided under HASAWA s6 can look similar to MSDSs required under CHIP.
Paul
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Posted By Kate Graham
It doesn't surprise me - I've seen msds for nails and screws. Which I'm sure, however, the supplier only cobbled together on request from the customer who demanded them in the belief it was a requirement under COSHH. (Along with the belief that retyping the information on the msds constitutes a COSHH assessment.)
Kate
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze
Yup,sounds about right Kate.
In the past I have variously recieved a MSDS for distilled water and gritting salt!
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Posted By Steve Holliday
Don’t joke about water MSDS’s as I have seen a couple that state water is fatal by ingestion.
If you drink enough, quickly enough it is!
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Posted By Jim Walker
I've seen one for water that states if you get it in the skin or eyes to wash off with plenty of...................water.
Like the others, I guess some suppliers send out a MSDS as they get sick of explaining they are not required.
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Just to be a total pedant glass is a supercooled liquid, with a very high viscosity. If you look at old glass window panes they are actually thicker at the bottom edge. When it is scratched by a cutter it is crystallizing along the line - hence the clean cut.
Not that it makes a deal of difference because it still seems hard and breaks when you hit it
What else is happening in the state of Denmark today?
Bob
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Posted By Keith Egerton
Bacon sandwiches and Carlsberg lager have been reduced to 1/2 price.
Careful of the Carlsberg though - you might get imprisoned if you try to take it out of the country.
PS If you miss the point of this post, just watch the TV ads :-)
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Posted By Kate Graham
Although glass can be considered to be a supercooled liquid that has nothing to do with it being thicker at the bottom - old glass was just made unevenly and was put in that way up (maybe by chance, maybe for better stability). Glass doesn't flow measurably at room temperature.
It doesn't crystallise when you cut it, the reason you get a clean break is because it is a brittle material and you have made a crack in it, which causes rapid brittle failure (crack propagation). Crystallisation is a much slower process than that.
Kate
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Posted By Ken Taylor
If you are producing glass dust as part of a manufacturing process (eg whilst recycling glass products to produce decorative horticultural mulch) it could require assessment under the COSHH Regs. Other than that you could need risk assessments under the Management of H&SAW Regs or Manual Handling Regs for handling sheet glass or assessment of architectural glass under the Workplace (HS&W) Regs.
All a bit of a pain really.
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Posted By John Webster
Oh dear, Ken. What a putty. I thought we were going to escape all the paneful glass puns
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Posted By Paul Craythorne
My niece informed me today that she had been contacted by a member of staff at her local health centre who asked her "Do you know how old your son is?"
I thought this was one of the most ridiculous things I had heard for a while until I read this thread about an MSDS for glass.
Paul Craythorne
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Posted By Andy Petrie
Carrying on the MSDS for water one, I found one on the the with the following information:
IF UNUSED WATER IS SPILLED, MOP UP OR FLUSH TO SEWER. (flush with what)
Effects of Overexposure:WATER MAY CAUSE DEATH BY DROWNING.
Other Protective Equipment:SAFETY SHOWER AND EYE BATH. INDUSTRIAL TYPE WORK CLOTHING AND APRON AS REQUIRED TO AVOID PROLONGED OR REPEATED CONTACT.
LAUNDER CONTAMINATED CLOTHING BEFORE REUSE.
Extinguishing Media:USE MEDIA APPROPRIATE FOR SURROUNDING FIRE. (Surely more water)
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze
Steve, I trust you got what you were looking for before we derailed the thread?
S'pose respirable silica might be a problem if you were grinding the stuff. Last time I looked in the EH40 document it had an OES, so exposure can be a problem.
If you've had no luck here you could try the Pilkingtons Glass website or something.
I once had to prepare a MSDS for aluminium gutters because of a customer request, they just would not be told that in the form supplied or used it was not a hazardous substance.
It contained such gems as "do not inhale or ingest this product" and "in case of contact with eyes, wash out with water and seek medical advice".
- Well you would if you had a 6 ft gutter in your eye!
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Posted By STEVE mJONES
i would like to thank everyone for their comments which have amused me all week. It just shows there is humour in Safety. I look forward in joining future discussions.
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