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Posted By Mike Miller
I have a short question for all my colleagues out there:- How many people should sign a permit to work?
I think that it would be good practice for two persons to sign so that it facilitates a check system with each other before signing on and off. My boss thinks that one is enough. Your answers will be valuable to me and I thank you all in anticiption
Mike
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Posted By Chris Boocock
Mike.
There should be two signatories on the PTW, but four signatures.
Before Work Starts:
The first signature should be by, say, the operations manager stating that the plant has been isolated, cleaned and is safe to work on.
The second signature is by the person who is going to work on the equipment, accepting the conditions of handover.
On Completion of the Work:
The third signature is by the person who worked on the equipment, stating that work has been completed and that the plant is safe to return to normal service, e.g. guards have been replaced.
The fourth signature should be by the person who issued the permit, stating that he accepts that all work is complete, work area clean etc.
So in sumary - two signatures - the process being:
1: Making safe & handover for engineering work (Signature X)
2: Accepting conditions of handover (Signature Y)
3: Handing back in a safe manner on completion of work (Signature Y)
4: Accepting conditions of handover (Signature X)
Hope this helps - if not please contact me direct.
Regards - Chris
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Posted By Delwynne
It very much depends on what work situation the permit is for and what the significant risks are. In general I agree with the previous reponse permits should be signed 'in & out'. But in my opinion, you may need more than two signatories if certain persons have responsibilities for control of certain risks.
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Posted By Paul Costelloe
In general I agree with Chris's response, however, an issuing signature by the operations manager is ok - as long as it is the operations manager who has ACTUALLY checked that the control measures are in place. (and as long as he's competent to check that control measures are satisfactory) In the case of an electrical isolation - it is the issuer who should ACTUALLY carry out the isolation and take charge of keys for isolation locks - not a manager in some remote location who must take someone elses word for it.
In the case of electrical isolation permits - they are legal documents, so issuing and clearance of these should not be taken lightly.
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Posted By Chris Boocock
Mike.
With reference to the above responses - who ever signs the permit must be competent to understand the risks and control measures.
We have a permit whereby people sign to state what isolation they have applied - this may be an operator or a fitter / electrician, the operations manager will then check those isolations and then authorise the permit. The main thing is that ther should be NO ambugiuty as to peoples responsibilities - preferably one person should authorise a permit, but where there are one or more authorisers their areas of responsibilities must be clear and specific, and to re-iterate they must be competent.
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Posted By Mike Miller
Thank you all for your help and advice. It has been very usefull.
Mike
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Posted By Chris Pope
One of the "Bibles" on Permits is Oil INdustry Advisory Committee "Guidance on Permits to work systems in the petroleum industry by HSE ISBN 0 7176 1281 3 which talks about all the sorts of people who should be trained and involved in the design and issue of PTW including monitoring systems - worth every penny of £8.50
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