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Posted By Peter Wright
Are contrcators allowed onto a site before management to start a job earlier (the site is manned 24/7). For example on a Sunday management start at 0800 and the contractors want to start work at 0600. The contractors have been working on site all week and have undergone induction etc. What is the "legal" standing - any help or infromation would be much appreciated
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Posted By Delwynne
In my experience (speaking as a contractor) there shouldn't be a problem with what you are suggesting providing there is suitable supervision (foreman for example), first aid cover and emergency contact numbers/procedures in the event anyone mangement wise is required. We frequently find that management will check on how we're doing but not provide a permanent presence over weekend shifts unless the works are of a high risk nature. Hope this helps.
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Posted By Heather Aston
And speaking as a manager I would agree!
You have to be satisfied that the contractors can work safely and - if you cannot do so - can provide their own competent supervision and first aid cover.
You must also be satisified that they can get access to telephones in an emergency and can safely access those parts of the site that they need to get to for any equipment they might require.
This may take some planning and liason beforehand but it's actually quite straightforward.
Heather
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Posted By NIGEL REE
I would not be happy with contractors starting before management as past bitter experience has taught me that contrctors can be tempted to cut corners for the period that management are not on site.
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Posted By Ken Taylor
There should be someone in control of the site - whether or not you call this 'Management'. This could be an appointed supervisor.
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Posted By Kelly Hughes
Peter.
If you check the conditions of the Planning Consent, there maybe time restrictions included in it for starting and finishing times of the work. These time restrictions take into consideration the neighbouring areas for noise, lighting and dust pollution that may be generated by the works.
Why do they need to start so early in the morning? If the job is going behind, they need to place more resources onto the job to ensure it is completed to the planned date. Starting earlier will not complete the job quicker unless they are proposing to work a longer day. In my experience of companies wanting to start earlier, they also want to finish earlier as well.
Keep them to the times laid down in their contract and make them start and finish at the times they are contracted to. You could end up upsetting the neighbours and possibly having an accident on the site due to poor lighting conditions at this early start time.
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Kelly
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Posted By allan wood
as previously mentioned as long as there is a supervisor/foreman and first aid cover on site as well as ALL the personnel involved with the task having recieved a site specific induction i see no real problem. if you are unsure try spot auditing the contractor in question or carry out job safety analysis of the task being undertaken. this has worked for me in the past.
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Posted By Merv Newman
Ok, but what system do you have in place that will ensure that those who start work at 6am have been through the safety induction, that there are adequate first aiders, telephone numbers, emergency planning etc. etc.
Blowed if I'm getting up at 5am just to suit a contractor.
Your site may be manned 24/7 but I'll bet that the gate is manned by contractors. What do they care ?
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Posted By Laurie
You're the customer.
You tell the contractors when they're allowed on-site.
Laurie
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Posted By Jason Touraine
First aid, basic safety arrangements for their employees? Why should you have to do it for them?
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Posted By colin
My pennies worth as ex sub-contractor is, that on occassion it is required to work out of hours due to the nature of the job at hand, such as vehicle movements increased during normal hours, or office occupation for decorators etc. However it is in your interest to have someone on site to monitor contractors, just depends on who you choose.
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Posted By P. C.
Don't see a problem from "legal standing."
Your "contract" is your legal standing when and and how a contractor is allowd to the site can either be spelled out in the contract or agreed on mutually.
If it's no in the "contract" regular hours for that type of work are expected. If they wont to work "not regular hours," the contractor would ask the site owner for permission.
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Posted By Hilary Charlton
I don't have a problem on our site about working out of hours. As long as someone lets them in, issues a permit to work, checks round and locks up afterwards this is OK.
However, I would stress that any contractor allowed to do this has been through the H&S and Environmental protocol, given us risk assessments, method statements and been through a face to face interview prior to commencing work (sometimes a couple of days prior) and been "approved". If this has not happened then the answer is definitely "no".
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