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Posted By Kate Graham
I'm trying to persuade my boss, who has overall responsibility for health and safety and no knowledge of the subject, to take IOSH Managing Safely. He says he can't see the point and that it cannot possibly take 4 days to cover the principles of health and safety. Part of the problem is that he doesn't believe he is responsible - he thinks I am.
Does anyone have suggestions for how I can convince him?
Kate
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Posted By Hilary Charlton
You could try the draft consultation document on Corporate Manslaughter - that should do it!
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Posted By Jim Walker
What about the "IOSH safety for senior executives" course that's a one dayer.
If nothing else he would come away realising h&s is his responsibility.
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Posted By David A Jones
Kate,
You'll like this one then;
I've just completed a full review of our overarching risk assessment for the business.
As with all OHS&E documents we have to get approval before it can be issued to the business.
The person responsible for providing approvals has no health and safety qualification or experience.
He has looked at the document - which fully explains the need and background to risk assessment - and doesn't want to approve it as it may involve some work for line managers to implement the outcomes. He also does not like that fact that some of the risks are still considered significant - but he is not talking about introducing additional measures to reduce risk.........
His solution - change the words to show that the risks are low!!!
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Posted By Katie Hoyland
get hime to come with you. I did that with my boss, we spent 5 days on a course together, that was the start of a great personal relationship. We are now married with 4 kids and a great business together. Maybe it could happen to you!
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Posted By neil poyznts-powell
Kate,
My boss went on the the course IOSH course Jim mentioned and he enjoyed it, he now wants to go on the IOSH Managing Safely.
Does your Health and policy advise that your boss or his position is responsible for health and safety? If it does you could show him the policy if not it needs revising.
Hope this is of some assistance.
Regards,
Neil
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan
Kate
If your boss is open to evidence, take time to gather statistical data on near-hits (aka 'near misses') and incidents leading to injury or avoidable stress over a period of a month. Translate this data into financial estimates of the costs in terms of unplanned absence, impact on production or customer service, along with overheads.
Have a discussion about options for reducing these costs, with one of the options being the course you recommend; maybe he'll settle for other options that may represent a value proposition you also share.
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Posted By Kate Graham
Thanks for all the responses so far (except Katie's contribution which made me physically sick).
Yes he has signed the policy that says he is responsible ... I could get him to read it.
Re the Senior Executives course. This could be a good compromise because of the shorter length. I'd be interested in views on how suitable it is for the boss of a smallish company with one manufacturing site and a very flat management structure, as I have the impression from the brochure it is more aimed at large and complex organisations.
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Posted By fats van den raad
Kieran, in other words, as the little girl in the add says, if you want a kitten, start out by asking for a horse!!
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Posted By Katie Hoyland
does the same apply to men fats??
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Posted By Jim Walker
Katie,
No, Men are too simple for such deviousness.
By the way, whats the advert selling?
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Posted By fats van den raad
Katie
I'm sure the ploy will work on most men. It'll work on me, but then, I'm easy!!
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Posted By Katie Hoyland
i prefer my men to be a bit harder than than you fats , keep trying tho!
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Posted By fats van den raad
Hey, never said I'm not hard.. just said I'm easy.
Don't get confused now y'all.
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Posted By Stuart Nagle
I would suggest you examine health and safety publications and take the 'evidence' out of these - where directors etc have been prosecuted/imprisoned as a result of accidents in the workplace, paste them all up and present it to him (in front of somebody else)....
If your boss is not a director, make a copy for the MD and attach a covering letter explaining the situation and why you think it 'might' be beneficial for someone with your bosses responsibilities to have some modicom of health and safety knowledge.
I am sure the MD would get the message and realise that he also stands to get clobbered if your boss has not got any idea of what H&S is about or his responsibilities - and the fact that he's not interested!!!
Stuart
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Posted By Laurie
I agree with Stuart. I had a new manager who wanted to learn about H&S on a half day course held within a twenty mile radius of the plant.
I spent months photocopying every case of companies and managers being fined for breaches.
It finally worked, but when the person concerned came back they said it was a waste of time since they had learned nothing that I had not already told them!
I'm still not sure if that was a compliment or criticism!
Laurie
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