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#1 Posted : 04 November 2004 14:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jeff Manion I understand you should not use mobile telephones at petrol station - due to potential source of ignition. But my vehicle is alarmed by remote, this send a signal to lock etc. My question is "is it possible to produce a source of ignition?"
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#2 Posted : 04 November 2004 14:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sean Fraser The mobile phone in petrol station risk is a myth that inexplicably seems endorsed by the petrol companies, but they cannot provide any evidence of potential danger beyond anecdotes which have never been validated by independent research. http://www.snopes.com/autos/hazards/gasvapor.asp
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#3 Posted : 04 November 2004 14:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Danny Swygart You are at more risk of igniting petrol vapour from static electricity off your clothing than mobile phones etc. I have a little video clip if you would like a demo of this.
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#4 Posted : 04 November 2004 14:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Rob Yes , but highly unlikely. It is a radio signal, although weak one, which, I have been advised ionises the air. Any residual vapours will be at a low level and are unlikely to be ignited even with the extreme heat that's emitted from an engine manifold. No doubt somebody will question this!
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#5 Posted : 04 November 2004 14:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mike Craven I could never believe the fire hazard claims and so, for years, when asked about why you shouldn't use your mobile phone, I used to give my "man in the pub" response that it could "play havoc with the digital petrol gauge mechanism", thus meaning that you could be overcharged for/cheated out of your petrol. Was amazed how many people believed it - think I even convinced myself at one time!!
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#6 Posted : 04 November 2004 15:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter MacDonald My understanding is that it is not the signal but that the phone itself is not intrinsicly (spelling?) safe and that it is possible that within the components in the phone a spark could be produced. Most Industrial sites run by Transco, BP and Esso where there is potential for flammable build ups in process areas ban phones. (and all outer garments are to be anti-static) While on the theme I was amazed whilst working in Sicily some years back that people had no problems smoking whilst filling their car up with petrol. I saw it everytime I filled my own car. Amazing! Peter
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#7 Posted : 04 November 2004 16:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By fats van den raad Peter Prepare to be more amazed... it is actually exteremely difficult to set petrol alight with a cigarette. Had this argument befor a long time ago in South Africa when I was in the army. To prove his point our sergeant repeatedly extinguished a lit cigarette in a tray of petrol. It needs a spark to ignite the fumes and all the lit fag can provide is a glowing ember.. Now actually LIGHTING a fag while you are filling up.... now that's a different story.
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#8 Posted : 04 November 2004 16:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Rob Fats,did the flint-lock rifle pose a hazard, when reloading near the powder kegs??
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#9 Posted : 04 November 2004 16:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Birney Jeff My workplace (print works) is deemed as being covered by DSEAR and ATEX and as such we are not allowed mobile phones in any of the zoned areas. The reason we are given is not the potential for sparks from the phones normal operations, as these would not be incendive enough, but that if you were to drop the phone and the battery was to come away from the body of the phone, the open contacts could produce a spark incendive enough to ignite a flammable atmosphere. Myself, I think it might have something to do with stopping employees from waffling on their phones all day. Paul
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#10 Posted : 04 November 2004 16:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter On a scientific note, radio waves cannot cause ionisation as they do not have enough energy. Ionising radiations are UV, gamma rays and x-rays. Paul
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#11 Posted : 04 November 2004 17:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By fats van den raad Rob No, not really as the flint(the source of ignition spark) was normally not fitted untill after reloading was completed. Mind you, chewing off the rough edges of the lead balls didn't have play havoc with your teeth!!!
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#12 Posted : 04 November 2004 18:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman Fats, I was tempted to say your talking balls again, but I wont. Imagine asking the soldiers at waterloo (were you there ?) to take off the flint while they reloaded ! three or four shots a minute would have fallen to three of four an hour. Remember, for the average manager safety must not affect productivity. It should enhance it. And you'ld all be talking french now.
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#13 Posted : 04 November 2004 22:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By colin I cant see any problem with the signal from a mobile phone. The big signs at the edge of a petrol forecourt which show the prices of fuel (55p per litre etc.) some actually have telephone aerials built into them for mobile phone companies.A friend works for OFCOM as telecommunications inspector and informs me that phone companies use these "signpost" aerials alot and without public knowledge.
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#14 Posted : 05 November 2004 13:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter I worked for several years as a "Petroleum Officer" (Local Authority Enforcement of retail Petrol Filling Stations). The only hazard is that associated with accidentally dropping the phone and the (remote) possibility of the battery becoming detached and its terminals striking the ground causing incendive sparking. Everything else is urban myth. Static electricity is a much more significant problem!!!
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#15 Posted : 05 November 2004 13:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter MacDonald I'm amazed that a lit ciggie won't ignite petrol. Seeing as we have a petroluem officer and various experts on the issue in this thread. Can you cobble together a quick RA and MS for me to carry out an experiment out in the yard!!! I was thinking of dousing the plant fitter in petrol and have the drivers ping lit fags at him. Penny for the guy. Peter
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