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Posted By Adrian Watson
Further to the comments made in several threads I thought we should start a bugbears & pet hates thread to get things off our chests.
Mine for are starters are:-
Complicating simple things;
Using unneccessary jargon;
The definition of "hazard";
"Safety first";
"Accident free hours_days_weeks etc";
"unsafe" acts.
Regards Adrian.
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Posted By Delwynne
people who think that in order for a system of work to be safe it needs to be at least 2 inches thick.
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Posted By John Bowker
The word 'GENERIC'
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Posted By Laurie
Colleagues who think that health and safety is my responsibility, not theirs
Laurie
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Posted By Robert Weiland
Managers who think my job role is not being performed when we have an accident that was to the best of everyone's ability unforseeable. i.e slipping on something dropped by a worker.
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Posted By Paul Oliver
managers who think by wrting an address on a generic (sorry John) RA, it suddenly becomes site specific.
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Posted By Kate Graham
They should just be more careful.
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Posted By fats van den raad
Managers that keep asking me "Is it a legal requirement that we have to do that?"
People that tell me " well, I do this at home"
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Posted By fats van den raad
Accident investigation reccomendation stating " Injured person should be disciplined for this"
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
1) People who think they do not need to do a risk assessment with the method statement
2) Planning supervisors who think you can produce every method statement for the whole project before it even reaches site start
3) Supervisors who think they don't need to look at a job wrt safety because they have written a method statement to cover all such work
To name a few
Bob
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Posted By Kate Graham
The incisive logic of managers. We have fire doors that don't shut properly when the LEV is on because of a lack of make-up air. Solution? "So we just need to put a grille in the fire door."
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Posted By fats van den raad
Kate
A classic.... thanks for that very enjoyable Friday chuckle....
Fats
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Posted By Bob Baynes
People who, despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, just will not believe that 'life just ain't like that' and think all would be well if the world and everyone in it could somehow be forced to behave in accordance with their set of rules and values. Probably applies to more than just health and safety matters. Does my posting this make me guilty too? Well at least I accept that they have the right to their opinion. Some of them . . .
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze
Shoot me down but...
Forum responses that say somthing along the lines of, "do a risk assessment." Well why do you think I'm on the forum looking for ideas and angles?
Also, managers that do not implement the findings of the risk assessment I've just completed and presented to them with a clear to do list.
}:-(
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze
Perhaps I should have done a risk assessment on that last response just to see who I might offend?
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Posted By Nigel Hammond
"It's all common sense in it mate", "It's ridicuous all these petty rules and regulations", "you expect me to do this (H&S) on top of everything else I Have to Do" Ahh.... these sorts of statements make me really mad!!!
Having got that off my chest, I have to take issue with defining a hazard and 'safety first'. How can you do a risk assessment if you don't understand the difference between hazard and risk? 'Safety First' is about getting people to not sacrifice their own safety to get the job done quicker, easier etc. Whats the problem with that?
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Posted By steve e ashton
People who are intolerant of my right to be wrong, where 'wrong' means 'different'.
Then again.... I'm totally intolerant of some things myself.. (Cannibalism, squeezing the toothpaste tube from the top...)
So, if I'm not part of the solution, I must be part of ...
oh dear.
back to the report writing.
Steve
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Posted By Barry
I remember one manager, after a particular accident, saying, "they (the IP) didn't ask for the training!"
People who ask for a RA on a rush job thats just come in at the other end of the country & expect the RA to be produced "just like that"
Employees who use H&S as an excuse to stop work whenever they fancy, even though nothing is wrong!
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Posted By Kevin Walker
Best one recently:
I've spoken to a personal claims lawyer?
after tripping on a flat, clear, clean, surface, but starting with the line I wasn't drunk.
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Posted By Emma Forbes
Again, when men use H&S as a weapon to not do something when there's nothing wrong and what we have up here is the "Aye been" mentality - it's always been done that way and no blonde lassie is gonna tell me otherwise!
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Posted By Lorna
Emma - ditto, except substitute brown hair - lol (have almost been patted on the head on a few occasions)
Also members of staff who ask for something, or ask a question and think that if they say "but, it's health and safety" then I will roll over, say "of course" and give them what they want.
Examples - "We need a new school sign, it's health and safety" "we need a bigger outdoor wheelie bin, we shouldn't have to pay, it's health and safety" and our current favourite "I've lost my filing cabinet keys. What can you do, it's health and safety?"
I cannot complain about a lack of variety in my job!!!
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Posted By steviezenga
Letters signed along the lines of "Yours in Safety", "Stay Safe", "Be Safe" etc.
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Posted By Gareth Bryan
HR people who think they know it all.
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Posted By Katie Hoyland
What persistently annoys me is the use of the words 'health and safety' surely this would read better and get over the real issues much better if the words were ' safety and health', after all what is our priority here, 'health' or 'safety'????
I know what mine are!!!
k
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Posted By steviezenga
cue sub-thread...Health/Safety/Environment/Welfare etc.
Who's Top Dog? Prioritise.
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Posted By Nigel Hammond
Katie
Annually about 300ish people die from Safety related accidents whereas about 10,000 to 20,000 die from occupational health diseases. Why would you rate safety as more important than health? I know the public have this misconception but it's our job as h&S people to turn this round.
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Posted By Jennifer Kelly
KPIs - data in dubious, data out even more so.
The comment from site 'you cannot put a price on H&S' - no longer have the energy to talk about ALARP.
Requests of 'can you do a quick induction' NOW - I then find out this is for 20 people who don't speak to best English in the world and therefore cannot be quick.
Ahhh the list goes on.............
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Posted By Zoe Barnett
1) Having my hand kissed and being referred to as a "dolly bird" by the Chair of my very first safety committee meeting (this predated the DSE Regs so I couldn't send him for an eye test)
2) People who think it is amusing to flatten themselves against a wall when they see me coming down the corridor, crying "Careful! Health and Safety!"
3) People who think I am responsible for all the headlice in South-East England
4) People who ask "How was I supposed to know it was dangerous?"
What a great thread for a grumpy Friday!!
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Posted By Katie Hoyland
what i also dislike is because i live with the boss, people have the misconception that i get a good bonus.
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Posted By John Bowker
A classic from senior Manager "don't you put screen wash in your car at home?, your being very fussy"
On being told the 50 Gallon drum of screen wash with 90% Methanol concentrate needs RA and control measure and PPE.
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Posted By Heather Aston
People who say:
"But we've always done it like that"
"You should have been here yesterday it was much worse then"
People who persist in picking up a box that weighs 25kg because they're too lazy to fetch another box and split the load like they are supposed to.
People who persist in carrying out a "two man job" on their own because they've "always done it like that" and then claim against the company when they hurt themselves.
Claimants' solicitors who can't accept that in the real world we do not record absolutely everything we do or who can't seem to understand simple English (like the one this week who after receiving their client's 84 page confirmed complete personnel file wrote to say "are you sure that's the complete file?" at £10 a letter...)
I could go on but perhaps I won't. :)
Heather
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Posted By Elvis
Currently working in risk management the constant jibes (e.g. an item falling of the desk, someone spilling a bit of my pint etc)
"did you manage to assess the risk of that happening?"
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Posted By Mark B
Katie,
I would to interested to hear your comments to the question from Nigel Hammond i.e. why your priority is safety above health.
Regards,
Mark
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Posted By Rob
Trying to find a root cause when there clearly isn't one. It just, sort of, happened, dammit!
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Posted By Barry
remedial action after an accident... "told to be more careful"
"You're not at work if you are driving to site"
"Can you do a risk assessment to make it safe"
"H&S is at the top of the agenda..........can we cancel 'til next friday??
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Posted By Laurie
Letters from companies trying to sell me something which begin "Dear Colleague"
Laurie
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Posted By DougieGeorge
Cracking topic Adrian! Now you are all enjoying the weekend & it is the start of the week here in Saudi - thought I would go off at a tangent - bugbears relating to Food Safety:
"All this cleanliness & disinfection has to be bad for us".
"Never had any problems with diseases when I was younger" (aside from infant death from diarrhoea,etc.)
Pet Hate - on leaving the premises ... watching the food handler wrapping the soap back up again ready for the visit next year ....
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Posted By Hilary Charlton
I hate Companies who send out flyers with "Do you know your Duty of Care responsibilities?" when they are trying to make out that their product is required by Law and you just know straight off their claim is balderdash.
Hilary
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Posted By Struan
"You're the safety manager so I see it as your key responsibility to take the proactive approach and sort this problem out!"
Just luvvin' it!
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Posted By Lorna
I' m sorry, I can take it no longer....major bugbear at the moment is trolls that start dubious threads and don't conclude the issue, whilst leaving other strange posts on different threads.
Almost as annoying as being asked this morning to deal with someone's flatulence...it was, apparently, a health and safety issue!!!!!
Arghh !!!!!!!
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