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#1 Posted : 11 November 2004 13:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Patrick Teyhan Colleagues, may I firstly apologise for the cruditay! I am in need of enlightenment with regard to the standards related to toilet flushes. Is there a standard? What is it? How can it be tested? I seem to recall in the dark distant past that if you could flush a ping pong ball down the toilet the flush was adequate. The reason for asking is that the Disabled Toilet facility within our Office complex is starting to block on a regular basis and I have been asked to investigate the "Standard Flush" as the one in question is, well questionable. Apart from the incovenience (no Pun intended) and the health risk associated with unblocking the toilet is the "Flush" or lack of it a Health and Safety issue? with kind regards in anticipation of your response Patrick Teyhan
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#2 Posted : 11 November 2004 14:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Roger This is surely another wind up...... However there is of course the 'bog' standard. Rog'
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#3 Posted : 11 November 2004 14:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Simon Carrier Not sure if you are on a wind up but just in case you are not this may help http://www.triaqua.co.uk.../water_regulations_2.htm regards Simon
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#4 Posted : 11 November 2004 14:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sean Fraser Interesting item from Simon - quite impressed actually! I would argue that it doesn't matter if it is a strict H&S issue (certainly does from the "health" aspect in my opinion) 'cos if the toilet doesn't work right it needs fixed anyway.
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#5 Posted : 11 November 2004 14:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Patrick Teyhan Colleagues, I can assure you that this request for information is genuine and not a wind up. One of my disabled colleagues has made a legitimate complaint about the lack of flush in the disabled facilities. It is constantly clogging up. I am sure that it is down to the landlord of the complex who has either had the ball cock set so that it will not raise very high therefore saving on the water bill and thus not delivering enough O2 to push debris far enough past the U-bend to stop the blockages. The cistern also takes an age to refill, I am sure that he has had the pressure turned down, leaving colleagues waiting for upto 4 maybe 5 mins before being able to flush again. Regards Patrick Teyhan
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#6 Posted : 11 November 2004 15:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Timothy Capner Hello Patrick British standard flush is 7.5ltrs, new regulations limit the maximum flush to 6ltrs - water conservation and such. Can't actually find reference to a minimum flush - commercial, dual-flush systems will flush at 4ltrs minimum. So I would say that 4ltrs is the acceptable minimum standard. As to this being a health and safety issue? Perhaps workplace Regs reg 9 - 'sfarp, waste materials shall not be allowed to accumulate in a workplace...' Seriously tho' Reg 20(1) - suitable and sufficient sanitary conveniences must be provided...... There may be scope here for you to insist that your landlord provide suitable facilities. Hope this helps. Regards Tim C
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#7 Posted : 11 November 2004 19:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Laurie If it is only just "starting" to block on a regular basis, it looks as though a fault has developed somewhere beyond the U bend. If this is the case simply increasing the water flow will only exacerbate (I spelled that without looking it up!)the problem. Laurie
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#8 Posted : 11 November 2004 19:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mike Miller Some modern cisterns have a dual flush and require the operator to hold the flush down for a few seconds more to allow the full deluge. whilst I know what the regulations are regarding conservation, most cisterns are adjustable and can still be adjusted to nearly all the full 9 litres. If you have a constant problem of blocking up, then I suggest you first have a power flush carried out by a contractor and if that does not work try a CCTV survey to find out what is snagging in the soil pipe. Could be that a pipe joint is out of kilter. Yours Mike ex building technician.
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#9 Posted : 12 November 2004 09:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By fats van den raad Laurie - Well done, I couldn't have done it!! (seriously, I'm being patronising or taking the P) Talking of which (did you notice how cleverly i linked that!)surely the dual flush systems is designed for only flushing number 1'sies on the "small" flush, and the full strength "big" flush would be required for number 2'sies?. Oh, yeah, if you want to conserve a bit of water, put a brick in the cistern.
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#10 Posted : 12 November 2004 09:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Philip McAleenan What ever happened to the simple solution folks? Call out a competent plumber. Works every time. Philip
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#11 Posted : 12 November 2004 09:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze Philip, You say that, but what if the underlying problem is sluggish drains due to flat land and the distance away from the nearest sewage pumping station. I only say this because it happened at one place I worked. We spent thousands on plumbers, Dyno-rod, and cameras only to find it was the Sewage Company to blame.
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#12 Posted : 12 November 2004 10:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Hilary Charlton You might also want to consider your toilet paper. The recycled paper is held together with a different substance from the normal paper and does not break up in the same way when faced with a flush. Therefore, you could find that it is the toilet paper getting stuck and not a problem with the flush at all. Why don't you try out Andrex or Charmin for a while and see if this has any effect - I know it sounds like a wind up but we found that the recycled paper was snagging in the drains and causing blockages way down the pipework - once we went back to non-recycled paper it never happened again. Hilary
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#13 Posted : 12 November 2004 12:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By fats van den raad Hilary And not to mention the added benefit of a morale boost for the employees who now no longer have to dread visiting the toilet and the subsequent sandpapering of the posterior from recycled paper, but instead are happy about the care that the employer takes of their bums
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#14 Posted : 12 November 2004 13:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Hilary Charlton Fats Well, there is that too I guess! Hilary
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#15 Posted : 12 November 2004 17:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Webster Do you provide a bin for disposal of sanitary protection? Chucking SANPRO down the pan can be a serious source of blockage (once had a 10m length of drain choked solid with it)
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