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Posted By Jeff
A contractor(who installs fences and gates) is being 'asked' by their client to ensure the contractor employees have attended an asbestos awareness course.
This is outside work for a housing trust on an existing scheme. And no doubt they have a H&S advisor on their books.
My question is:
Does anyone know of an asbestos awareness course provider that would run a suitable course for employees who have never seen anything remotely like asbestos, never work inside and have no interest in the subject. Oh and it must be cheap because it is a complete waste of money.
No, that won't do, got carried away!
Is there a course provider that will educate staff on a short course in asbestos awareness, preferable in the south, and who has reasonble rates.
Jeff
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Posted By Roger the Dodger
I would refuse to run/attend the course.
If the contractors risk assessments have concluded that asbestos exposure is not encountered during their work activities - then training is not required.
I would argue the point with whoever is making this stupid demand.
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Posted By Bill Elliott
Our outdoor team have seen AND come aross AND disturbed asbestos ALL outdoors - HOW - believe it or not there are unscrupulous "cowboys" who remove the stuff and dump it somewhere not easily seen. To be later turned up by some unsuspecting individual who is then left to clear up the mess. Yes to asbestos awareness training - it is not unreasonable to give these employees an understanding of what is likely to contain asbestos, if they do come across it during their fencing activities.
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Posted By NIGEL REE Jeff, I run a company that specialise in asbestos surveying and we also run a short i.e. asbestos awareness course i.e. 2.5hrs that might suit your needs. please e-mail me at nigel396@aol.com for prices. We are based in South Herefordshire reards Nigel
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Posted By Roger the Dodger
Even if you do come across asbestos outside in a field e.g. it has been buried - its shouldn't likely to be that much of a risk, as it is likely to be wet & damp hence fibres are not likely to be released.
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Posted By George Poku
Jeff
We run an asbestos awareness course that might be of interest to your client or the contractors. I can send you a copy of the course content. Call me on 01322627800 if you still require this information.
George
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Posted By Jeff
Roger -= whole heartedly agree, but the client is insisting, so it gets loaded on the price!
Bill - digging a few holes for posts on an established development is really going to put people at risk from asbestos? Yeh, right. We all know asbestos is dangerous but isn't there something else we should be using. Ah, got it, common sense.
Nigel - thanks I've emailed you for details. I promise they will sit and listen!!
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Posted By Roger the Dodger
Why not research the information yourself - and provide the information to your staff. You don't necessarily need the outside 'kudos' of a so called training consultancy.
Sorry to do you guys out of business, but put the risks in perspective, if they are as stated.
As an employer you have to give adequate training, but there is no requirement for it to be given by an outside company.
So what do your guys need to know?
"You just might come across discarded asbestos, this is what it might look like, its dangerous because (add a few sentences)if you do find it, this is the action to take....leave it alone, don't cut/break any suspect asbestos etc and report to your manager."
A few of the free HSE leaflets and about 1hr of your time should suffice, I would suggest.
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Posted By Jeff
Probably being a bit harsh on you there Bill but there are some reasonable alternatives you could have put forward.
How about giving out leaflets from the HSE and advising employees there might be asbestos and the dangers of asbestos. But no, not according to the client, they have to go on a course.
As I said this client probably has a H&S advisor in some dark office who sits and makes this stuff up.
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Posted By Tony Birchall
You should look at the HSE's partners events on the asbestos campaign section (ww.hse.gov.uk). There are all sorts on there and it lists local venues.
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Posted By Brian John Abbs
Given the low risk detailed above, and that the client is insisting on the course, would it not be possible to ask the client's Health and Safety advisor to undertake the training/briefing?
From the client's point of view this must "tick all boxes".
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Posted By Jeff
Yes. A good idea. Let's see what happens.
I've had a couple of contacts from trainers from this thread to look at.
And a PP presentation (complete with some excellent pictures) emailed to me by one guy who I can't thank enough - it is superb and pitched at exactly the right level.
Jeff
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