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#1 Posted : 15 December 2004 17:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kinnikin What do you think about this memo sent out of the blue? "Having recently studied staff absence data, I would like to arrange a meeting between you and your line manager. The purpose of the meeting is to provide support to you as a member of staff. The meeting will be informal and cover: A check on the accuracy of the record of your recent absences. A review of your attendance over the past two years. An exploration of whether there is a need for the organisation to provide additional support for you. Any issues that you would like to raise." How would you feel if you recieved this memo? What do you think the motive is? How would you tackle this differently? This organisation have never had any sickness absence management in place, nor has it ever carried out back to work interviews or implemented any back to work strategies. This organisation does not have a staff welfare officer and the memo above came entirely out of the blue (today). I would value any opinions you may have. Thanks. Kinnikin
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#2 Posted : 15 December 2004 18:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan "Kinnikin" or whatever your real name may be. This is an attempt to answer the specific questions you raise and to response to the final remark about valuing opinions that readers may offer. 1. How would you feel if I received this memo? Personally, I would be a little amused, in view of the apparent fact that, as you say, your organisation has never had any sickness absence management and has never carried out back to work interviews or implemented any back to work strategies. I would express my humour by stating that I personally regard the matter as a very formal one, in accordancw with the INformation and Consultantion Regulationas 2004 and that I want the meeting audiotaped and minutes, with a copy to the Chief Executive. I would add that, on the basis of the information set out in the memo, I regard the claim about the stated purpose of the meeting as false, and that I want it formally withdrawn and replaced by a statement of the truth of the motive guiding the writer. 2. 'What do you think the motive is?' Ask God. There is no reliable data on the motive; I would wish to very, very, firmly insist that the writer either substanties their claim with evidence or states the real motive in writing. 3. 'How would you tackle it differeently?' You add 'I would value any opinions you may have'. My opinion is that this is a good opportunity to challenge management to introduce a fair, reasonab le and competent process to manage absence well and to avoid the stresses arising from the sacle of ambivalence and ambiguity generated by this unacceptable memo. In my view, it is the responsibility of the Chief Executive to ensure that this happens. Incidentally, I write this as a Chartered Fellow of the CIPD, a Chartered Psychologist and a registered counsellor as well as a RSP and MIOSH. Hope that may help, even if it's not quite what you anticipated.
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#3 Posted : 15 December 2004 18:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan Correction,Kinnikin In replying to your first question, it is more appropriate to refer to the discipline and grievance procedures that came into force in October. That is to say, inform the writer and the Chief Executive that the you/whoever you may be advising or representing wishes the matter to be very, very formally dealt with in accordance with the employee's statutory right to a grievance procedure - or failing that the matter will be appropriately referred to ACAS. The point is to challenge on a non-negotiable basis on the bogus assertion about 'informally': nothing in writing beween employer and employee is genuinely 'informal' as it can be placed in court or to a tribunal as documentary evidence, as the writer of the memo either knew or should have known.
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#4 Posted : 15 December 2004 18:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kinnikin Kieren, Many thanks for your advice and comments, they have, certainly given me something to consider. I would still value comments from others so as to guage how other organisation deal with this type of situation or, indeed, how thet should deal with this. Thanks, Kinnikin
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#5 Posted : 15 December 2004 19:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman It would appear that your company has recently consulted an "absence management consultant" and is adopting his recommendations. Consult your union and request that a union represantative accompany you, and any other of your colleagues who may wish it, during the interview.
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#6 Posted : 15 December 2004 19:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan Kinnikin As you now raise the question of how organisations manage absence well, the methods include a. producing a clearly expressed policy on managing absence, usually after consulting employees, b. training line managers to exercise primary responsbility for managing absence in ways they choose c. making specialist OUTSIDE profssional help available to staff on recommendation of the line manager or HR manager, out of a central budget (HR and/or OH) d. systematically gathering data on absence classified by, amongst other things, time periods, gender, age, attributed causes and patterns of problem management and presenting it in an annual report to directors and to staff.
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#7 Posted : 15 December 2004 19:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kinnikin Merv, You wrote, "It would appear that your company has recently consulted an "absence management consultant" and is adopting his recommendations" That may be the case (I don't know), however, I would doubt that such a poorly constructed memo / letter would result from a professional consultancy's advice. That said, I think you have given good advice regarding the presence of the Union Rep during any discussions. Kinnikin.
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#8 Posted : 15 December 2004 20:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman We consultants, living in our ivory towers and having no knowledge of the real world as lived by HSE persons working at the coal face, can be as guilty as anyone of constructing a poor document. But if we do that too often we don't get asked back or passed on to other potential clients. Honestly, the document you quote could be the start of a disciplinary procedure against you, or a reason for giving you a poor evaluation. Be very, very careful.
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#9 Posted : 15 December 2004 21:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Laurie Kinnikin If you have any form of disability, and you are the only one to have received this memo, this may be the thin end of a discrimination wedge. If, on the other hand, everybody has received one then, as already suggested, formal union/ employee representative action may be required Laurie
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#10 Posted : 15 December 2004 21:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan I share Merv's words of caution (and his interesting observations about consultants!) Whoever is the target employee, it is worth downloading the ACAS Code of Practice on Disciplinary and Grievance procedures from www.acas.org.uk Para. 11 refers to an 'informal' action in the words 'Cases of minor misconduct or unsatisfactory performance are usually best dealt with informally. A quiet word is all that is required to improve an employee's conduct or performance. Para. 13 sets out the position about 'formal action' in these words: 'The first step in any formal process is to let the employee know in writing what it is they are alleged to have done wrong. The letter or note should contain enough information for the individual to be able to understand both what it is they are alleged to have done wrong and the reasons why this is not acceptable'. While you didn't give details of the absence or its roots, your original question apparently described what ACAS define as formal action under the misleading guise of 'informal'. Much like HSE documents, the ACAS guidelines are the product of extensive consultation and the writing of experienced go-betweens, simply responsible for presenting as clear an interpretation of relevant law as possible, it could be a good basis for responding along the lines Merv indicates.
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#11 Posted : 15 December 2004 22:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kinnikin Merv, To provide further info re this thread. It seems that about 30 - 40% of staff has received this memo (in essence every body who has had time off (on sick) over the past two years). At this stage it is not known what the cut off is (or how many days sick over the past two years has resulted in this action). But it is fair to say that it doesn't seem like discrimination. However, as suggested earlier in this thread, the true motive of this memo is unknown to me at this time. Thanks for all the advice so far. Kinnikin.
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#12 Posted : 16 December 2004 08:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan ... so what was first described as 'out of the blue' is now described as part of a process of change. Since they offer 'An exploration of whether there is a need for the organisation to provide additional support for you', it may be an opportunity for pressing for improved management of change and of management of work-related stress.
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#13 Posted : 16 December 2004 08:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kinnikin Kieran, All staff got the memo at the same time with no prior warning. Therefore my description of "out of the blue" is, I think, accurate. It is just that several people have recieved it at the same time. Some of the staff were literally in tears over this memo and others are so incensed that they are talking of resignation etc. I, on the other hand, am advising caution and exploration of the motive behind this memo. However, given that the memo is of a formal nature although it suggests it is informal, I am ensuring all bases are covered. Many thanks for your advice so far. Kinnikin
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#14 Posted : 16 December 2004 09:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman This might be a good time for a few people to realise that they are suffering from work-related stress. Say about 90% of those who received the letter.
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#15 Posted : 16 December 2004 09:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan If senior and/or HR management want to retrieve this muddle, it may be as well to get across the normal, healthy human needs for managing personal and social identity during any significant change (including absence management, structural changes and redundancy). There's a lot of research indicating a five-stage process that enables employees and managers to achieve effective changes: 1. Orientation: policy announcment, with an indication of links between the change and business objectives as well as a timescale for changes 2. Information provision: data on legal, organisaitonal and safety issues 3. Consultation departmentally and/or orgnaisationwide 4. Feedback, from staff to management 5. Launch of the change, incorporating the feedback and explaining how this is done, with milestones for future monitoring. From your account, it is possible that HR and/or senior management believe they can leap straight into 5 and, like many organisations before them, learn that they've started on one of the least effective ways of achieving their stated goal. If anyone is monitoring the absence levels statistically, count to what extent the levels of stress generated by this silly letter may have an impact on either absence levels or over January - March 2005 compared to the last 3 years, or on turnover during 2005 compared to previous years.
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#16 Posted : 09 February 2005 11:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lorraine Shuker I came across this saga whilsts searching for something else. Thing is ... ... WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?????????
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