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#1 Posted : 19 January 2005 17:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Patrick Teyhan Colleagues, Our employer has replaced our ageing Computers with handsome (and what must be said quicker)Flat Screen Displays and new compact (in comparison with the old) CPU's. The issue has been raised as to the Requirement of the DSE Regulations and revision of existing Assessments. It has been suggested that "Self Assessment" would be adequate, in that the completed self assessment would be audited by a competent assessor who would decide if follow up action is required. Whilst I am concerned about self assessment in itself, i.e. staff indicating that their working environment is ok, but when visited the actual situation is found to be somewhat different. So I am asking for your help / guidance on twoish issues I understand from section 2 DSE Regs that the employer is to perform a "suitable and sufficient assessement / analysis of Workstations provided does this still apply in our case? I believe so, your thoughts / comments / interpretation would be most welcome. I further understand from Section 2 of the DSE Regs that a "suitable training" is required when a workstation has been substantially modified. With the introduction of the new technology, would every workstation have to be revisited and assessed a new? Your thoughts / comments please. Would providing training in the use / adjustment of the new technology and then having a competent 1-2-1 Risk Assessment for 600+ members of staff be "reasonably practicable"? Is this common practise in the outside world? Would doing any less mean that my employer falls foul of the DSE Regs and find themselves Liable for compensation claims for RSI WRULD and CTD My many thanks in anticipation of your help Regards Patrick
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#2 Posted : 19 January 2005 19:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stuart Nagle Patrick. Seems to me, having recently up-graded myself, that I still have a qwerty keyboard and a mouse and screen (although it is now flatish as opposed to squarish. The resolution can be altered to suit me and there are other attributes that let users alter displays to their liking etc. As such, unless the operating system is substantially different, or there is new and different software they have to use, I would suggest that re-training is not necessary, although regular refresher training is always a good idea. Self-assessment would seem fine also given the above circumstances, but if it known that porkies are told simply to get the self-assessment form off the desk quickly, It would be a good idea to follow up on these with a workstation assessment and act on findings accordingly... Stuart
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#3 Posted : 19 January 2005 21:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Daniel The length of time you spend on risk assessment should be commmensurate with the risk. In my 11 years as Group Safety Adviser for Rover, then with 60,000 employees and I suppose 2-3,000 workstations in the end (some quite old) we had no reported cases of RSI, although we had known problems with some manufacturing processes such as sheet metal working and sewing rooms. We had some heavy systems use including data entry operators through to CAD. The only recorded incident was someone dropping one on his foot! We concluded that self assessment was entirely adequate and we could then concentrate our efforts on "real" risks, like our Iron foundries. Dave Daniel Technical Director Practical Risk Management Ltd
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#4 Posted : 21 January 2005 11:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By MICK MEAD Be careful not to understate the level of risk - ok, it's not an iron works, but pain & suffering is meaningful to the sufferer regardless of how/where sustained! I do a lot of DSE assessments for clients and I'm always concerned about the high proportion of people who report discomfort (often closely followed by mention of doctors, physios or similar). My view is that initial training in the potential hazards of DSE, along with a practical demo of how a workstation should be organised (usually for an audience of perhaps 10 or so staff). Also you should include deatails of what problems/symptoms should be reported & how. I always get a signed receipt declaring understanding and acceptance of the training. This is followed by self-assessment, but with a trained assessor visiting each workstation as a check. I have experienced also where there has been a global changing of hardware - flat screens being installed. The problem I recall is that for soem reason staff tended to have the screens too high - despite having been trained in the correct height! Also, small (travel) mice were provided - leading to discomfort for some users. Has this been of any help???
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#5 Posted : 21 January 2005 13:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sylvia Tyler Self assessment is not the answer to compliance with the regulations, but it can help you to prioritise the time you need to spend on it and hopefully educate employees and Managers to do it themselves! I have introduced an interactive self-assessment just this week, a few people have non-compliances. I've e-mailed or telephoned them and sorted the problems out - or discovered that they had no problems just didn't read the questions properly!! The good things about the interactive package is there is a training module on DSE that has a "Knowledge Test" so this demonstrates that you have provided the information and training on DSE, without spending the many hours standing in front or the employees, which is part way towards compliance. I'm hoping that with the introduction of this system I can coach and educate the Line Managers and the employees by getting them involved with the problems and understanding that they have a responsiblity to use the equipment properly, set up the workstation properly, manage the users, identify the users and identify if they need additional breaks or work pattern changes. Thus leaving me more time to concentrate on the "High" Risk Activities in the construction world. Tried to get some Line Managers trained up in DSE assessment - but that failed.
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#6 Posted : 21 January 2005 14:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Young As long as your staff have received suitable training enabling them to understand and identify what might be wrong and what it can cause, then self assessment is initially the correct way to go. After a self assessment has been appraised by a competent assessor and any necessary remedial action has been taken, I would suggest that you are doing what is reasonably practicable.
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#7 Posted : 21 January 2005 14:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kevin Walker I feel that the key aspect in any DSE program is awareness and training. If people are trained on what they should be doing then you have started to them being more self sufficent and capable of making local adjustments. We do not want to get into the "nanny" situation whereby people cannot even adjust their own chair without someone from health and safety being called to help them. It is the progession to this stage of DSE assessment overkill that leads to helpless people unable to figure it out for themselves. I find the easiest way is to train as many staff as possible to do their own assessments so that they are almost DSE assessor themselves. This does not need to be via the hugely expensive and long assessor training courses but with simple short and accurate training. In this way they are more capable of looking after themselves and let you do the real stuff. kevin
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#8 Posted : 31 January 2005 12:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Fiona Cowan Further to other comments on this matter. We have moved to using the new HSE assessment format and staff have found it far clearer. The prompts and pictures are really accessible for users and assessors alike and the process far quicker.
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