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#1 Posted : 20 January 2005 08:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Nicholls Hi All, A colleague of mine has asked if i can pick your brains? In our packing,despatch, and inspection depts, some of our employees wear weightlifting belts (York/Weider type)that they have purchased themselves, to support their back whilst lifting (2kg-4kg castings) Does anyone know if these belts are of any benefit to the wearer? Can they be classed as PPE, and therefore the responsibility of the company for providing them to employees. All help would be greatly appreciated, Thank you Dave
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#2 Posted : 20 January 2005 09:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By fats van den raad Dave Yes the belts are beneficial as they support the lower back and diaphragm during lifting. Back support belts are used by some companies as ppe, and are sold by many ppe suppliers. The downside of using back belts are that they can give the wearer a false sense of security leading them to attempt lifting loads that they normally wouldn't attempt had they not been wearing the belt. Whether you class them as ppe and issue them as such is a decision the company has to make. I would advise though that very thourough instruction and training be given to these employees and that other control measures are put in place to ensure that they do not attempt lifts that they normally wouldn't Hope this helps Fats
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#3 Posted : 20 January 2005 10:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adam Jackson We banned their use unless the individual was specifically instructed to use one by a medical practitioner. This was based on a report an osteopath did for us during which he commented that they did not support the use of back belts as they can cause as many problems as they solve. I researched it further and came to the conclusion that while back-belts do have some use, to issue them to everyone as standard practice was not a good idea.
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#4 Posted : 20 January 2005 11:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stephen J W Clegg. A point to bear in mind, whilst wearing these types of belt, a person is often lead into a false sense of security to think they will be protected from a back injury. If used properly, they will reduce the risk (as with most types of ‘PPE’). I’ve seen experienced folk in the gym falling foul of this belief… resulting in long-term injuries! Have you considered the task in terms of improving the location of the castings in relation to the individual – i.e. height of casting (are they on the floor/bench), reach distance to get the casting – overstretching, mechanising the process etc… Is he the only person experiencing problems? Do you have access to OHU Department (or other…) that would assist in carrying out a full assessment with him? Was the nature of the task discussed at the recruitment and selection stage? Could this be a training issue - poor lifting technique? I’m sure other folk will comment further… Good luck!
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#5 Posted : 20 January 2005 13:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Hay Hi Dave Having had dealings with various osteopaphs and chiropractors over the years, my general advice would be to shy away from belts. As already mentioned, they often cause more problems than they solve. As always, using other control measures such as job or load redesign, mechanical aids or training etc. would be the prefered option, unless the individual has been recommended to wear a belt by a back specialist. Paul
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#6 Posted : 20 January 2005 14:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By colin The belt will help but wont stop injury, manual handling techniques need to be looked at and changed if possible.
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#7 Posted : 20 January 2005 14:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Nicholls Hi Guys, Just to say for thanks for all your comments, I have passed them on. Thanks Dave
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#8 Posted : 20 January 2005 15:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Young I was always led to believe that weighlifting belts were only used and beneficial when lifting massive weights in a controlled environment. I hardly think 2-4 kilo's would fit into this category and would therefore think that their use should be discouraged. If it is repetitive lifting of these weights, I would suggest that the belts would be very restrictive and tiring because they can impede breathing
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#9 Posted : 21 January 2005 09:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert S Woods I had an ex-power lifter on a manual handling course on Wednesday (he knew the technique but not the legislation). One of the things brought up was the use of weight lifting belts as PPE. He said for them to work the wearer needed well developed abdominal muscles otherwise the belt just pulled into the stomach providing no support for the back. Then again he did try to persuade me that anyone carrying sack of product should be taught judo so they could throw them on and off their shoulder safely. Another point raised was it must be better to carry a load on your back rucksack style because soldiers can yomp 25 miles carrying 40 kilos with no ill effects. This person then deduced that his employees should be able to be able to transport loads least treble that weight because the factory was only 40 metres long.
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#10 Posted : 21 January 2005 13:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Doug Russell NIOSH in the US don't seem too impressed with back belts. See http://www.cdc.gov/niosh...nomics/default.html#back
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#11 Posted : 21 January 2005 14:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By asdfgh I have another perspecive. I was asked the same question by a warehouse operative who was unpacking kitchen units. He wanted us to supply him with a belt, because he had had a back problem in the past and didn't want to exacerbate it. I came to the conclusion that, in the eyes of the law, we would be failing in our duty to reduce / control the foreseeable risks of injury by supplying the belt as an item of PPE. Quite apart from moral standpoint, I felt that if something were to occur, we would be deemed negligent in the event of an insurance claim because of this.
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#12 Posted : 21 January 2005 14:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mark Evans This all comes back down to the hierarachy of control measures (an old Nebosh favourite!)with PPE, information, instruction and training being at the bottom. I personally have issued and do use these in our working environment but only where the use of mechnaical aids or changes to the working environemnt/process were not possible. Additionally rest breaks and job rotation are used to complement these measures along with very detailed training and information on the nature of the loads. My advice would be use with extreme care and only when you have exhausted all other options. I am continually looking for a way to eliminate these and all other PPE from the working environment as are most safety practioners!
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#13 Posted : 21 January 2005 15:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Heather Aston Robert I don't know many soldiers who can yomp 25 miles carrying 40 kg with "no ill effects". Someone's been watching too much "SAS Reality TV"! Heather
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#14 Posted : 21 January 2005 16:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adam Jackson Cynic. Ultimate Force is a documentary. Ross Kemp could 'have' Andy McNab any day. :)
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#15 Posted : 31 January 2005 20:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By NG Dave, Speak to your Insurers, they are an often, forgotten source of H&S advice, but the kind that you, as a company need to follow.
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