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#1 Posted : 11 February 2005 14:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mark Eden Has anybody managed to put in place an evacuation plan for licensed premises that does not put staff in danger - have you ever tried to get someone to leave a pint behind when leaving a pub. Also a lot of licensed premises don't have fire alarms so hw do you attract attention with out causing panick?
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#2 Posted : 11 February 2005 14:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight What do you do with all the p****d punters when they're milling about on the street once you've managed to persuade them to stagger out of the pub? Sorry I can't offer any helpful advice, this is a hell of a problem, John
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#3 Posted : 11 February 2005 15:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bernie Couvel Mark, Have you tried to contact the fire officer? They are normally really helpful. They have helped me sorting the evacuation procedures on multi occupancy buildings. Good luck! Glad I do have my job and not yours on that occasion... Bernie
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#4 Posted : 11 February 2005 19:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Laurie I've no real experience, but I would have thought that sprinklers would work quite well! Laurie
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#5 Posted : 14 February 2005 20:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stuart Nagle Mark. I have emailed you direct. Laurie. No good mate, surely you know it's against the law to water beer down!!! (hee hee) Stuart
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#6 Posted : 15 February 2005 16:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paula BrattonYoung Being an ex-publican (yes I left that to come back to this!!!!) we found that yelling fire at the top of your voice and "get out or you'll die" fairly effective... although you had to let them take their pint with them, and the fire point was the garden... Of course, this was all documented in a highly polished written policy... Paula
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#7 Posted : 15 February 2005 16:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adam Jackson Does worrying about details such as getting people to leave pints behind muddy the waters unnecessarily? If its accepted that in the event of an alarm the utmost priority it getting people out of the premises then whether they insist on taking their pint out or not seems immaterial. I can't see a licensing authority getting unduly excited about people taking drinks off the premises if its been done in a potentially life-threatening situation, which we must assume all non-planned fire alarm activations are.
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#8 Posted : 16 February 2005 13:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter A lot of pubs have a hand bell to attract patrons attention to 'last orders please' this tends to get people's attention - this might be used for evacuation purposes too? If 24 hour opening catches on, these bells might otherwise become redundant. If you want to empty a pub quickly, put me on the karaoke!! ;-)
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#9 Posted : 16 February 2005 16:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By DavidHaddon Surely ringing any kind of bell will only work effectively if the assembly point is sited in front of the bar! That's the only place that people go to when the bell rings! Have you tried shouting "there's free beer in the car park?"
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#10 Posted : 17 February 2005 13:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Frank Hallett There are 2 issues here! First, ensuring that the "public" are suitably warned to leave immediately - not at all easy in many areas, even for regular closing; & Second, minimising potential harm to staff in an emergency situation. These both require very careful thought and the drawing up of the simplest possible procedures that could consider incorporating some of the earlier suggestions to this question. Thorough evaluation and training of permanent staff [as opposed to Tems/Part-timers] will be essential. If you wish to contact me I may well be able to provide more info than in this forum. Frank Hallett
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