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Posted By Martin Taylor
Recently I challenged a contractor who was using a 7.5 tonne vehicle on our site without a reversing alarm.
He replied that the vehilce was fitted with a reversing camera providing the driver with a CCTV image of everything behind him and that reversing alarms were not required and not fitted.
Although the CCTV system is excellent I am surprised at what I am being told - personally I would not like to rely upon the driver 100%.
Can anybody advise if it is legally aceptable not to have reversing alarms fitted where cameras are used or am I being fed a line?
thanks
Martin
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Posted By Stephen Boardman
Hi Martin, I can't say I have seen any legal requirement for reversing alarms, but it is good industry practise to have them fitted, most vehicles now come with them fitted as standard. I personally do not like the CCTV cameras in cabs because they give the driver a false sense of security, they do give him a screen to look at in the cab, but you can only see in the direction the camera is pointing, they do have a lot of blind spots, and should be used (in my opinion) with wing mirrors. but it is your site, most vehicle accidents happen at low speed in reverse. there are a number of alternatives, Dont reverse! (easy said) but if you need to reverse, ensure it is into loading areas where pedestrians cannot stray, or better still ensure the vehicles are reversed by a banksman. It is never easy when you have visiting contractors who are on (job and knock) terms, they want to get in, do the job and get out as quick as possible. but it is your site and the reversing control measures should be dictated by you. Can of worms I know but that's the game we are in. Good luck
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Posted By GeoffB
Last week, on a client site, a 360 with CCTV (sub-contractor) reversed into a roller - luckily no one was stood between the two.
But would a bleeper have helped if there had been - the answer has to be yes, surely, even if it was just half a second extra warning.
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Posted By Eric Burt
Martin
Proximity alarms are much better - they only sound when an object / person is detected near the vehicle.
I did a fair amount of research into this when trying to get a nearby quarry to silence them as they were operating 0600 - 1800. In the end they agreed; switched to proximity alarms and we lived in harmony.
There is also research to suggest that if they are fitted to all vehicles and hence reversing alarms are going all the time they just become background noise and ineffective.
If you type "reversing alarms" into Google you will get access to quite a lot of good information.
Incidentally, some planning authorities won't allow them when considering planning applications from quarries as they disturb neighbours.
Hope this helps
Regards,
Eric
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Posted By Renny Thomson
GeoffB, how would the reverse bleeper have helped in your case?
Are the rollers intelligent enough to move when they hear the reverse bleeper?
Far better the operator of the 360 excavator used their visibility aids to actually look for the roller before he moved!
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Posted By Martin Taylor
thanks everybody for your prompt responses. I am surprised that there is no apparent legal requirement covering this topic - I had always thought there was - but the general consensus seems to be that reliance on the CCTV alone is not a good strategy
thanks again
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Posted By Stuart Nagle
Martin.
So far as I am aware all commercial vehicles making deliveries ect are required to be fitted with a reversing bleeper. I think it is the CCTV that is an additional extra here, and not a legally acceptable replacement for the bleeper.
Of course I stand to be corrected....
Stuart
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Posted By Renny Thomson
There is nothing in the C&U Regulations that requires fittment of reversing alarms.
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Posted By Martin Taylor
Thanks Renny - excuse my ignorance but waht are C and U regulations?
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Posted By Renny Thomson
Construction and Use
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Posted By Derek Rooney MIOSH MIIRSM
Hi Guys
As far as i'm aware there is no legal requirement for reversing alarms or CCTV to be fitted to commercials vehicles. As a company who Sells, services & repairs these vehicles i wold like to point out what one of you guys said previous which i beleive to be the best option & that is having a trained banksman. Remember should this contractor be on your premises, then your responsible should an incident occur. We recently had a visit at one of our sites from the HSE & this was the exact issue we had to contend with, were we told to have reverse bleepers "No" but they would have given off a warning sound, were we told to have CCTV fitted no - but it could help drivers in akward positions. We were told to look at our internal traffic movement to create a system that would cater for reversing circles, one way systems, pedestrian walkways and any vehicles requiring to reverse should be done with a trained banksman ONLY.
So well done to that man who said it earlier.
I hope this helps
Regards
Dez
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Posted By GeoffB
I don't understand your point Renny?
Please read my message again.
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